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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline additional july

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8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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good evening nice

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fade to black bespoke radio

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for the

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today's tuesday june 1st 2021

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153 days into the new year

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only 212 days left we are live from a

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bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere a

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total undisclosed location but

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it is beautiful i would like to welcome

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everybody listening

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all around the world all across the

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united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down

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east and west north and south far and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and

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a kgra planets

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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how you doing all right

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whoo man what a week here on fade to

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black

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absolutely incredible last night billy

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cox tonight

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lisa o'hara is here for the first time

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that's right three first-time guests

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to talk about her new book it is an

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it is called abducted and furious we're

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going to be discussing all of that

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tomorrow night lou elizondo is here he's

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we're going to be covering all of that

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dod drama that is going down right now

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and today

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is june 1st more on that in just a bit

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thursday nights ralph blumenthal

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i cannot wait ralph blumenthal is here

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also first time guest and we are going

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about his new book about john mack

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called believer

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no fader night this week as a matter of

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fact after

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uh ralph blumenthal that'll be it for

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fade to black for a week because

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i'll be traveling to laughlin nevada and

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i will be spending

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june 6th through the 12th out there at

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save all of your emails jimmy man no no

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shows there's nothing on

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listen to my voice no shows

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no shows no fade to black

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all right all right i cannot you know i

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i already know

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i'm going to get the emails i already

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know it i mean there's going to be the

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post there's going to be twitter

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hey man it's like didn't you listen to

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the shows

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all week there are no shows

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next week and uh i want everybody to go

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to

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uh ufo megacot laughlinufomegacon.com

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get your tickets

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come and hang out with us that are going

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to be there we have a booth

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um uh there's been a couple of changes

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until i get to laughlin but i will be

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it it looks like i'll be doing uh uh

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some heavy lifting on the on the mc

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side of things and and uh and the

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well we will uh discuss in laughlin but

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so my plan for the week was to hang out

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that was my plan hang out in the booth

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and eat and drink well there's been a

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okay all right i don't know who's gonna

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i'm gonna need some fader knots uh to

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uh to sit at the booth and uh sign

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autographs for me

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take pictures where's jimmy

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you're not jimmy i am right now

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what you don't look like jimmy i

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i i'm jimmy right now so

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uh that's what's going on uh ufo megacon

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uh the banners all the info over at

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jimmychurchradio.com all right get your

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tickets

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now all right where uh what did i just

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lost my screen let's

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see that was weird okay i'm gonna

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click on this oh okay i see what i did

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wow that was weird that was bizarre you

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know you got these mice

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with uh you know you can click on the

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click on the front click on the back you

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just bump one thing you click on one

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thing and you have lost

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your world but i got it back all right

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so that's the week here on fade to black

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next week

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no shows i'll be at ufo megacon

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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i've got twitter

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live right now in front of me looking at

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all of these

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amazing gifts that uh that's right i

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don't say jeff i say gif

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox hashtag f2bq

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is fade to black questions

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all right all right email is jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com let's get this

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show cracking let's get to the breaking

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a potentially hazardous quotes

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asteroid the size of seattle's space

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now that's right the space rock known as

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2021 kt-1 measures approximately

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600 feet all of this according to nasa's

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southern california-based jet propulsion

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the asteroid is expected to hurl past

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what is going on people one of these

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one of these man it's going to be bad

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potential disruption

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all of this was announced yesterday and

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it's kind of freaking everybody out

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potential disruption to both the united

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food supply is happening right now while

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reports circulate that jbs foods may be

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shutting down plants

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in the united states and australia

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usa determined that it was the target of

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affecting some of the servers supporting

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its north american and australian i

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will take time which may delay certain

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and suppliers today there were reports

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production facilities in both the united

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2021 after a 203 day journey traveling

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all right i'm going to leave you with

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this pete davidson

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joey ramone now you look at pete

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i slept with joey ramone

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films the announcement comes on the 20th

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who count who co-founded the group in

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maybe maybe let's get this show cracking

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today baby bella

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baby bella today is 12 years old if you

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want to see pictures of baby bella just

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flip right over there to twitter

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morgan freeman today is 84. amy

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schumer morgan freeman

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season three it's excellent

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morgan freeman pops up i don't want to

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give it away

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no uh no no spoilers here but morgan

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freeman today is 84.

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amy schumer today is 40. terry polo

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today is 52

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you don't know who terry polo is but i'm

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going to tell you she played pam

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focker in meet the parents she's pretty

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a lot of s'mores set today is 47.

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i don't know who broke alanis's heart

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she made a great record rolling stone

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ronnie wood today

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is 74. and i'm

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going to follow that up with guitar god

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michael landau

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today is 63.

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our dead guy's birthday today is marilyn

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monroe

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1940 1926 to 1962

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tragically allegedly took her own life

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at the age of 36.

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on this day in history otd 1977

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speaking of the first punk band in my

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the bbc bands oh that was yesterday's on

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this

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those are yesterday say

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i was busy i was moving and

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shaking all right today tonight very

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i didn't do my fader fact today i didn't

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do my otd

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i just got all wrapped up in it man but

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you know what i did make

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i like my coffee doc

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oh man i like my coffee dark tonight

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lisa o'hara is here for the first time

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we're going to be talking about her book

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abducted and furious it is an amazing

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read

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highly recommended and you can go over

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to the links over at

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jimmychurchradio.com and click and head

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over to lisa's website the book is right

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there

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tomorrow night lou elizondo is back we

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are

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going to be covering all of the latest

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dod drama and of course the uaptf

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i'm going to talk about that in just a

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minute and then thursday night

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ralph blumenthal is here whoo man

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what a week on fade to black no fader

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night this week we'll see if we can get

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to some open lines tonight and i'll try

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to arrange that tomorrow night

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and uh you know after ralph so we'll do

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you know 30 minute pops

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of open lines uh this week so i can hang

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out with all of you

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all right rivermoonwellness.com

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terry polo was on season six of northern

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exposure

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yes she was thank you for that laura

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london

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coming in strong how you doing laura

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all right laura london speaking of young

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there you go you need to follow laura

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everybody follow laura on twitter right

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now

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i'm going to retweet i'm going to do

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this right now laura

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everybody follow

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i'm doing this right now right now

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i love being the boss i love

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being the boss there you go laura there

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you go right out into the in

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into the twitter verse well today

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today is june 1st

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all right and there's some chatter going

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around on social media that the ua ptf

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report

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may be out today

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and i you know i was i was seeing the

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action

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so i was bouncing around and

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searching for an announcement but as of

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showtime tonight i haven't seen anything

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yet but you don't know but

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by most calculations the actual due date

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is thursday

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june 24th okay

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now i posted this up in social media

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today

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what is the actual verbiage in the

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intelligent authorization act that

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everybody is depending on

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this is the section of the intelligence

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authorization act for fiscal year 2021

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that request a report

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from the odni about uaps that is due

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later this month and like i just said

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that date

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is june 24th that's because that's when

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the bill was signed off

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180 days ago you go 480 days

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it lands on june 24th not on june 1st

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having them release the report early on

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june 1st i wouldn't expect that but then

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again

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you know it depends if uh you follow

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randy quade or not but anyway

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uh i don't know if it's going to be

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released on june 24th

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i don't will june 24th arrive will there

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be an announcement

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and and the request for an extension of

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time

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um i don't know i don't know it's

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possible also

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in the intelligence authorization uh

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authorization act for fiscal year 2021

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if you read through it and i

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have all of it not just the part about

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uaps but if you read all of it

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there are a few 180-day requests in

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there

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for different things in from the

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intelligence community

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there's a lot of stuff in there and one

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of them

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of course is this section about uaps

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a lot of people are talking about it but

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few have actually

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read it so i'm going to

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here we go advanced aerial threats now

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like i said so you're going through

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you know you're going through the

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authorization act and

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boom there's a headline for this a

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headline for that and you know you're

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going through and you

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just read through it all of a sudden

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there it is advanced

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aerial threats

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and it says this the committee supports

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the efforts of the unidentified aerial

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phenomenon task force

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at the office of naval intelligence to

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standardize collection

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and reporting on unidentified aerial

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phenomenon any links they have to

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adversarial foreign governments and the

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threat they pose to u.s military assets

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and installations however the committee

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remains concerned that there

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is no unified comprehensive process

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within the federal government

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for collecting and analyzing

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intelligence

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on unidentified aerial phenomena despite

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the potential threat

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the committee understands that the

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relevant intelligence may be sensitive

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nevertheless the committee finds that

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the information

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sharing and coordination across the

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intelligence community

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has been inconsistent and that this

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issue has lacked attention

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from senior leaders therefore

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the committee directs the dni

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in consultation with the secretary of

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defense and the heads of such other

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agencies

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as the director and secretary jointly

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consider

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relevant to submit a report within 180

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days of the date of the enactment

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of the act to the congressional

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intelligence

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and armed services committees on

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unidentified aerial phenomena

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also known as anomalous aerial

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vehicles included observed airborne

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objects that have not been

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identified the committee further directs

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the report to include

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one a detailed analysis of

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unidentified area phenomena data and

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intelligence reporting

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collected or held by the office of naval

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intelligence

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reporting held by the unidentified

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aerial phenomena task force

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two a detailed analysis

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of unidentified phenomena data collected

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by

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a geospatial intelligence

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b signals intelligence

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c human intelligence

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and d measurement and signals

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intelligence number three

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a detailed analysis of data of the fbi

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which is derived from investigations of

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intrusions of

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unidentified aerial phenomena data over

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restricted

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united states airspace number four

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a detailed description of an interagency

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process

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for ensuring timely data collection and

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centralized

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analysis of all unidentified aerial

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phenomena reporting

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for the federal government regardless of

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which

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service or agency acquired

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the information number five

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identification of an official

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accountable

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for the process described in paragraph

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four number six

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identification of potential aerospace or

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other threats

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posed by unidentified aerial phenomena

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to national security

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and an assessment of whether this

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unidentified aerial phenomena activity

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may be attributed to one or more foreign

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adversaries number

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seven identification of any incidents or

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patterns that

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indicate a potential adversary may have

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been achieved

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by breakthrough aerospace capabilities

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that could

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put the united states strategic or

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conventional forces

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at risk and

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number eight recommendations regarding

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increased collection of data enhanced

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research and development

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and additional funding and other

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resources

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the request ends with this the report

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shall be submitted

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in unclassified form

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but may include a classified

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annex that's it

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that's it so

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once you read through this and now that

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you've heard me

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uh you know put this in audio form uh

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many haven't read it they've heard

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others comment on it in the ua ptf

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and and this is what the senate

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intelligence committee is requesting

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now i know that many out there

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um have read between the lines and i

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understand it says

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unidentified aerial phenomena this

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and foreign adversaries is mentioned so

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many times

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here i'm not so sure

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with the way that this request is put

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forward

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uh and and combined with the leaks and

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the videos and the photographs that we

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have seen

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lately that are to be

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part of this report and allegedly and

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according to uh

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susan gao that these were videos

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and images that were part of the uaptf

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okay to be presented you know by the o

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d and i the office of uh but

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but anyway let me let's just let me get

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to the point

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i'm not so sure

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i'm just not so sure i'm not sure sure

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that you know the

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ufo et off planet

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section of this which so many are

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expecting

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that this is actually what's being

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requested

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yeah yeah it's it's it's strange to me

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so we'll see we'll see we we will see

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you know uh june 24th i think is the the

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final deadline of the

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180 days let's see what's in the report

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if it happens then

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are they going to kick the can down the

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road but once you hear it like this and

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you see what's

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actually being requested i know that tmz

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and others

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you know approach michael rubio and they

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00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,880
want to push this

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00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,159
this flying saucer et component

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00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:04,159
into this and i'm just not so sure you

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know

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and now that i've read this so many

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times

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and i just took another look at it today

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with this excitement that this is now

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june 1st

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and i don't know i don't know i don't

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know how odni is approaching this

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and and how the different branches of

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the military

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and uh the intelligence agencies are

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going to respond to this and that

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includes the fbi

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00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,039
we shall see it's going to be an

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interesting month

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we have got so many things that are

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happening at the end of this month

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and uh july 17th we will be doing

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our disclosure online conference we've

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just added lou elizondo

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to the conference it's linda molten howe

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and nick redfearn

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and richard dolan billy carson and

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myself

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and what parts of this

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the ua ptf will be discussed in july

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i i just don't know it's it's exciting

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i'm i'm glad that these things are being

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discussed

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but i'm just not so i'm just not so sure

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that it's going to be

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disclosure as uh what and i'm not here

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to bum everybody out

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but you just heard what the request

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actually is

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight lisa o'hara is here

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for the first time

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we're going to be talking about her new

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book abducted and furious

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tomorrow night of course lou elizondo is

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back to cover all of the

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dod drama including the uaptf

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and he's got a big part in all of this

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and we will be talking to uh toulou

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tomorrow night with

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with uh all of the facts on the table

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and then of course

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ralph blumenthal and we're going to be

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talking to ralph tomorrow night about

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his new book john mack believer but if

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you

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kane

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that kicked everything off with the new

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york times back in december of 2017

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that brought us full circle to where we

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are

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today this is fade to black i'm your

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host jimmy church

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it's going to be a great show tonight

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it's going to be a great show tomorrow's

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going to be a great show on thursday

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but there ain't going to be any great

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shows next week i'll be at the ufo

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magacon

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i'm jimmy church this is fade to black

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet you can follow me on twitter

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at j church radio

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you can check out lisa's new book at the

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links over at jimmychurchradio.com

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they're right there

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i'll be right back after this short

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break with lisa o'hara stay right there

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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jimmy church radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church what a great

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week

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some said that was the show of the year

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but you know you guys say that

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every single night but i appreciate it

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tonight lisa o'hara

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is here for the first time we've got

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three first-time guests this week

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and you know i love it when that happens

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when you do as many shows

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as we have done and getting to

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first-time guests

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that is one of the things that uh causes

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me to learn

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and i really appreciate that so she's

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here tonight to talk about her new book

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abducted

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and furious she has a bs degree in

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business administration from san jose

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state university right here in

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california

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where she lived until 2011 she's worked

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for many years in law firms starting as

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a floater

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legal secretary and ended up in

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information technology we're going to

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talk about that tonight this is a key

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component to her story

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and i went to work for engineering

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companies in silicon valley and also in

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the department of defense company

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that had ties to sri she's

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now enjoying retirement and since

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retiring you know what

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actually we're going to discuss the rest

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of this tonight i'm going to hold off on

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that part but it's

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it's it's terry lovelace that i want to

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give a big shout out to

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and i know that terry's listening right

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now he's probably going to text me at

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some point during the show

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i want to welcome for the first time to

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fade to black lisa o'hare

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lisa good evening how are you thank you

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so much for having me and i'm really

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good

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yeah there you go that's that's the way

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we start off the show but this is the

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thing lisa you're a first-time guest

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which means you get the first time guest

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disclaimer

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which is just you and i sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where that conversation starts it

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starts where it ends and ends

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but we're gonna end his friends there

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you go awesome are you ready

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i'm ready i friended you so i expect to

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you to

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accept oh oh really hold on hold on

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she friended me let's just go right here

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and uh let me scroll down to my friend

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request i'm gonna do this in real time

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on the show

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and

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[Laughter]

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i love live radio man this is the best

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part of it right here accepting

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friend request live on the

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air um now this is uh

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this is what i want to do uh right now

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as i accept your friend request

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this is especially the book is an

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amazing read

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let me let me just start off there uh

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for the audience

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and the way that you've written the book

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well the title says it all right

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okay abducted and furious but the book

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is an instruction manual and

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details and chronicles uh

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the first half of the book your life and

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what you went through

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and the second half of the book is in

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detail

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how to deal with this because you're

855
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,079
you're pissed off right and

856
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,480
and you figured out uh in your own

857
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:56,560
hero's journey how to do this

858
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,640
so for the audience the

859
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,160
the second half of the book we're not

860
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,760
even we don't have the time

861
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,760
actually to go through the second half

862
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,680
of the book that would take us like two

863
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,280
or three shows because

864
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,800
you detail um everything right there

865
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,960
so i'll leave that to the to the

866
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:16,960
audience to go and get the book

867
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,079
and and look at uh your recipes uh for

868
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,720
dealing uh with the abduction issue

869
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,839
the front half of the book is a page

870
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,200
turner two

871
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,560
i mean i just i i

872
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,520
emotionally got very connected uh to you

873
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:34,720
lisa

874
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,000
and it just must have been frightening

875
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,440
so let's start with your childhood

876
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:44,240
where did you grow up and i always ask

877
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,800
uh

878
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,560
my guests the same question did you have

879
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,480
a crazy aunt or uncle

880
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,680
right talking about ufos and ouija

881
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,800
boards

882
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:55,440
did you have that component in your life

883
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,160
i did not

884
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,040
know i actually moved around every year

885
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,480
or two years

886
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,480
my dad was a mechanical engineer who

887
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,560
built copper smelters and gold leaching

888
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:05,680
plants

889
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:09,280
and he everyone thought he worked for

890
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,240
the cia

891
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,000
because when they i was a child and they

892
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,079
would ask me what did your father do

893
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,599
i couldn't tell him so i couldn't say

894
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,960
all those words i didn't know what it

895
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,079
meant so

896
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:21,520
they would say well you move all the

897
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,800
time so your dad must work for the cia

898
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,680
sure sure and and and then you can't

899
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,440
discuss it and then

900
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:32,480
right that book writes itself right

901
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,119
there

902
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,800
right um what about your parents uh

903
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:39,119
belief systems were they spiritual did

904
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,079
they

905
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,040
talk about ufos or you know like i said

906
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,839
ouija boards you know was there anything

907
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,240
crazy going on there the only thing i

908
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,319
know is that my grandmother used to

909
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,440
um say that she would have dreams where

910
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,200
if she was having some trouble that was

911
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,560
worrying her

912
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,599
uh if she crossed the river she actually

913
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,680
she knew everything would be okay but if

914
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:03,920
she got stuck in the river that meant no

915
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,960
it wouldn't be okay so but my parents

916
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,640
were one was catholic one was

917
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,440
protestant um they were very kind of

918
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,800
religious but not

919
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,119
religious religious that the type that

920
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,880
dragged us to church the problem was

921
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,800
that every time we moved we didn't know

922
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,560
where a catholic church was

923
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,240
a lot of times we actually lived in the

924
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,119
south you know where the baptists are

925
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,440
and so finding a catholic church is

926
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,200
almost impossible

927
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,440
well it was when i was growing up so

928
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,200
nothing prepared you

929
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,319
for the road ahead no

930
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,880
that's incredible that's it and when you

931
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,599
read

932
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,240
this is the thing um and i want the

933
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,359
audience to know

934
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,839
i'm looking at lisa her home office

935
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,680
absolute professional you know what i

936
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,119
mean there's

937
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,440
where you are now in life and where you

938
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,119
know where life took you

939
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,359
and what you were experiencing in the

940
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,480
background

941
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,480
two totally different things i don't

942
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,720
know how you dealt with it

943
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,800
it was hard because um you know when you

944
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,839
find something like that

945
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,319
out it really turns your world upside

946
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,839
down it makes you feel

947
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,240
fearful isolated i mean who do you talk

948
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,200
to about this

949
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,720
who did you talk to about it um at first

950
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,720
i didn't talk to anyone because

951
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:21,119
uh well at first i just didn't talk to

952
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,240
anyone but i did

953
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:25,040
was working towards being a medium and

954
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,319
at that time because

955
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,480
i was having weird experiences with

956
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,599
ghosts and

957
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,400
other people had passed over and so i

958
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,319
thought i was a medium and i was told i

959
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,760
was a psychic medium

960
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:39,040
so i was going to a medium and she was

961
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,000
helping me

962
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,960
practice to become a practicing medium

963
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,000
and um

964
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
so i was meditating a lot and i was

965
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,680
asking for help to develop my

966
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,200
mediumship skills when i ran into her

967
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:54,400
um somebody at my hair salon told me

968
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,800
that

969
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,800
she her boss was a medium so i thought

970
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,000
oh i should go there

971
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,599
talk to her my deceased mother and she

972
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,280
when i walked in she said oh you're just

973
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,920
like me so

974
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,920
that's how i got the confirmation that i

975
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,920
was actually a medium so i worked

976
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:11,520
towards that for a little while and it

977
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:12,319
seemed to open

978
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,839
me up for other things and that's

979
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,760
what happened did you ever have a

980
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:19,599
sighting

981
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,839
that so interesting

982
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,240
and and so compelling at the same time

983
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,359
uh what about

984
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,480
did you have uh i know

985
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,640
i know that these are basic questions

986
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:34,960
but this kind of sets up everything

987
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:37,000
were you attracted to movies about

988
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,240
extraterrestrials

989
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,680
or absolutely right yes i i watched

990
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,839
everything extraterrestrial

991
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,800
um it was spiritual and had ghosts in it

992
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,200
uh

993
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,319
i wanted esp you know i just

994
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,720
i was attracted to all of that stuff and

995
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,760
also science fiction

996
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,319
all the while working um as a

997
00:44:03,190 --> 00:43:59,760
professional

998
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,200
law game

999
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,480
right yeah exactly right and it

1000
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,839
you can't did you ever uh try to strike

1001
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:11,599
up a conversation with friends and

1002
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,400
co-workers

1003
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:15,359
about these subjects no i did not i mean

1004
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,079
you know

1005
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,839
there are some places that are extremely

1006
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,240
formal and um

1007
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,000
you know does not invite that kind of

1008
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,680
conversation and that's one of those

1009
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,480
places

1010
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,040
and and now um i'm going to bring up

1011
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,119
your your better half your husband

1012
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,560
who's also a professional yes and i just

1013
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,640
want you to take me back to that first

1014
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,640
day you write about this in the book

1015
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,920
it was so intense too um you write about

1016
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,359
this in the book where you're like man i

1017
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,119
gotta i gotta talk to my husband i gotta

1018
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,960
tell them what's going on

1019
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,079
yeah okay so set me up for that and

1020
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,240
how long did you think about it before

1021
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:52,160
crossing the line

1022
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,079
well i actually did tell him about it

1023
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,079
yeah it was a little bit of time so what

1024
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,160
happened was i find out about it

1025
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,560
and i just get freaked out and i feel

1026
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,520
unsafe

1027
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,960
um and at first i didn't really want him

1028
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,800
to think i was crazy so i

1029
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,440
um you know set up nanny cams to in

1030
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,040
order to try to catch these things

1031
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,240
happening at night

1032
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,000
and i would wake up and my nanny cam

1033
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,000
would be not on not off

1034
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:21,040
just in between um as if somebody moved

1035
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,000
it with their finger

1036
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,359
so but you know it worked right before

1037
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,240
um well here's the here's the thing just

1038
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,200
for claire i'm gonna jump in

1039
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,400
you are looking to capture an e.t

1040
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,400
right but that's not what you tell your

1041
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,280
husband that's right

1042
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,880
what do you tell your husband you're

1043
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,720
looking for ghost

1044
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:45,280
ghost because you throw them the

1045
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,079
softball

1046
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:49,440
right right and uh and was that was that

1047
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,760
too

1048
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,880
crazy for him i think

1049
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,599
it was yes he's very sciencey and you

1050
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,680
know not to dis him or anything

1051
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,000
but um i just wanted to kind of have

1052
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,720
some time to digest everything

1053
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,359
and also i wanted um you know to do my

1054
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,040
own investigation

1055
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,920
and see what i could see um then when i

1056
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:10,640
did tell

1057
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,000
him he said oh that's not true

1058
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,880
that's your imagination or whatever and

1059
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,359
so

1060
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,800
i just thought i can't talk to him

1061
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,480
anymore i mean

1062
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,960
but i felt you know unsafe but at first

1063
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,560
i felt a little bit better like yeah

1064
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,160
he's right i'm not

1065
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,400
this isn't really happening but as more

1066
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:30,640
and more things happened i realized that

1067
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,359
um

1068
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,960
i could probably not tell him that much

1069
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,119
because i didn't want to be

1070
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,920
discounted or invalidated every time i

1071
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,200
talked to him

1072
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,480
so right

1073
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:45,599
it's got to be so uncomfortable um and

1074
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,160
there's

1075
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,440
uh one other see when you're mentioning

1076
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,520
nanny cams or technology

1077
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:54,960
and and things right now there's uh

1078
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,319
you waited in the book to say

1079
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,720
something which to me was probably the

1080
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,319
most profound

1081
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,200
thing about you and it's the way that

1082
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,480
you wrote about it

1083
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,000
your computer was acting

1084
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,920
funny now i'm just assuming

1085
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:16,640
you're not that computer literate most

1086
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,040
people

1087
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,920
aren't and so you you suggest this in

1088
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,480
the book

1089
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,200
but then you start talking computer

1090
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,480
lingo

1091
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,720
and and say a couple of things where i

1092
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:28,960
was completely taken aback

1093
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,079
and went lisa

1094
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,440
knows her stuff right and and

1095
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,480
that's a whole nother part where you

1096
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,640
because you're in the book the reason

1097
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,079
why i'm saying this

1098
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,599
you you're reading the book that this

1099
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,920
component of your life you don't reveal

1100
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,079
until later in the book

1101
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,280
um your i.t background

1102
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,599
and what was going on with your computer

1103
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,359
that's they're messing with somebody

1104
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:56,640
that they don't know who they're messing

1105
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,040
with

1106
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,960
right and it was a section of the book

1107
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,000
about narcissists by the way

1108
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,200
of all things and this gets revealed

1109
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:06,960
but technically when it comes to

1110
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,160
computers you know your stuff

1111
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,960
yes i do but the people or ets or

1112
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
whoever they are

1113
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,319
who are messing with my computer are

1114
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,440
actually way

1115
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,760
more technical technological than i am

1116
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,640
and for a while

1117
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,920
i thought they were ai because a lot of

1118
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:25,520
my files that were messed with

1119
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,640
were actually had the same date stamp as

1120
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:29,040
i

1121
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,960
the same date stamp

1122
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,359
so when i was sending my uh copies to my

1123
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,400
editor

1124
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:45,680
he would find weird things in there i

1125
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,400
would too

1126
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,640
sometimes they would have double words

1127
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,160
and they didn't go out like that but

1128
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,680
they ended up with him

1129
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,319
with double words they also ended up

1130
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,319
with i i don't even know but one of the

1131
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,000
worst things that happened

1132
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,920
was uh you know when you're writing a

1133
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,599
book what you're using is something

1134
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,359
called compare document

1135
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,440
and what it does is you have your

1136
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,400
document

1137
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:07,839
and sometimes they're they're like

1138
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,119
combined but one person has a comment

1139
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,160
uh and then the other person does so you

1140
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,680
know i'm ello

1141
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,720
and george verongos was my editor

1142
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,359
and he's gv so we would leave little

1143
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,800
comments to each other he'd say you need

1144
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,400
to explain this and i would say

1145
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,440
well you know i would comment back

1146
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,359
and that's how we wrote the book when he

1147
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:30,800
was you know helped

1148
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,400
doing the editing so what happened was

1149
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,359
one of the part one of the times uh i

1150
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,119
sent it to him

1151
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,400
this whole sections were deleted

1152
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,400
there was someone named admin in our

1153
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:46,480
document that wasn't there when i sent

1154
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,119
it to him

1155
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,920
it wasn't there when he sent it to me

1156
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,040
and that person

1157
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,079
deleted a bunch of stuff the other thing

1158
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:56,880
that happened was our comments were

1159
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,400
reversed so my comments had his name on

1160
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,880
it and his comments had my name on it

1161
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,960
and how is that possible it's not

1162
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,960
exactly

1163
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:09,520
it's not it's just it's like craziness

1164
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,079
so

1165
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,319
anytime i'm on my computer i mean just

1166
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,920
the other day actually

1167
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:17,119
this happened um i knew i needed to go

1168
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:17,440
to

1169
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,720
and it said your password is incorrect

1170
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,400
so then i went to you know find password

1171
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,480
or send email for forgotten password

1172
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,079
and i got the email you do not have

1173
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,400
permission on the paid web page you do

1174
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,040
not have permission to access this

1175
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,880
i moved to my husband's computer worked

1176
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,160
fine

1177
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,280
now it and and you you

1178
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:49,680
you said you made this comment you said

1179
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,839
that the changes were made

1180
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:55,520
behind the gui

1181
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,880
behind the graphical interface and

1182
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:01,680
that most people don't even understand

1183
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,160
what that

1184
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:05,280
is and that they're what you're looking

1185
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:06,160
at

1186
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,240
on

1187
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,720
for you to know about this and to be

1188
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,559
able to go and check it out

1189
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,079
that says you know you have a certain

1190
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,240
level of sophistication in i.t

1191
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,480
and you know what's going on but tell

1192
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:25,760
everybody what you were

1193
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:29,839
referring to with the gui yes

1194
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:33,520
um well i thought that this person

1195
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:37,280
or et or i don't know who whatever was

1196
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,960
had actually um would get a

1197
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,440
an alert whenever i got onto my system

1198
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,000
and so as soon as i got on my system

1199
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:48,319
then they could do things to me and they

1200
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,119
were never

1201
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,640
they never worked on my husband's

1202
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,319
computer at all they didn't change

1203
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,920
anything about him um so anytime

1204
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,680
i was on the computer things were

1205
00:52:02,870 --> 00:51:59,520
happening to me and

1206
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,880
was no way i can prove it

1207
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,920
you know what i mean and they were using

1208
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:09,119
powershell which is a native

1209
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:13,520
program that is like a backbone to

1210
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,079
work windows and so it was invisible

1211
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,760
so there's no way for me to track it

1212
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,440
down they were logging in as me

1213
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:24,240
they were either remote desktopping in

1214
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,200
or

1215
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,559
couldn't find i mean it was just

1216
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:31,440
mind-blowing i it was obviously someone

1217
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,079
who knew

1218
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,800
much more about security than i did and

1219
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,800
no matter what i did i am plugged from

1220
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,920
the internet

1221
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,079
so i had an ethernet cable i unplugged

1222
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:42,079
it to my from my network it still

1223
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,559
happened

1224
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,079
think they were letting me think that i

1225
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,280
was doing something

1226
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,319
so i had a actually a windows 2008 r2

1227
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,240
server i unplugged that it stopped for a

1228
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,920
little while so first i thought it was

1229
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,559
just

1230
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:57,040
my windows server i actually have two

1231
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:57,920
servers so i

1232
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,359
unplugged both of those and then i felt

1233
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,160
a little safer but then um a little

1234
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,000
while later it starts happening that's

1235
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,240
happening on my computer i unplug it

1236
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,480
from the ethernet i go stand alone it's

1237
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,760
still happening

1238
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,000
i've turned it off i've unplugged my

1239
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:15,760
hard drives

1240
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,119
so you fully air gapped yes

1241
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:22,400
wow wow so the new the title of the book

1242
00:53:25,630 --> 00:53:23,040
should have been

1243
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,640
abducted and friggin furious

1244
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,119
[Laughter]

1245
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,520
i mean that that scares the crap out of

1246
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,319
me um

1247
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,319
and there are some i.t professionals in

1248
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,839
this audience

1249
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,160
um uh i'm looking at the comments right

1250
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,319
now ipd just popped in and i knew that

1251
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:39,680
he would

1252
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,359
um but uh powershell and

1253
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,720
and having changes go on behind

1254
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,359
what you have knowledge of and what you

1255
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,559
can see

1256
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,040
um and you and that that's a that's a

1257
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,040
scary thought somebody's got control of

1258
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,559
your system

1259
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:59,839
that that shouldn't have um yes uh

1260
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:02,480
the uh the the other part you had

1261
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,040
mentioned

1262
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,079
uh before the break um i know that

1263
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,040
this is technical to some of you uh to

1264
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,800
most of you but you have to understand

1265
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:12,880
the reason why this is important to me

1266
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,000
is this is an impossible situation

1267
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,680
this is like edward snowden level of of

1268
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,559
disturbance going on with lisa's

1269
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,599
computer

1270
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:26,800
you had said that uh uh

1271
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,640
folders were opened and closed that

1272
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,680
you hadn't opened and closed yes and

1273
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,319
actually

1274
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,480
this happened recently because they're

1275
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:38,319
still on my computer i don't know how to

1276
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:39,359
get rid of them

1277
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,559
um i was on trying to log into network

1278
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,240
solutions which is a domain

1279
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,799
company yep and i have an account there

1280
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:47,359
and

1281
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,160
somebody else was logged in too

1282
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:55,119
now initially i had been getting emails

1283
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:55,599
which

1284
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,880
except the date something was expiring

1285
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,559
so i wouldn't click on the link of the

1286
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,760
spam email i got instead i would go to

1287
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,720
network solutions try to log in and

1288
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,920
everything would be fine

1289
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:12,640
so that kept happening over and over and

1290
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,960
so

1291
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,480
finally i thought i need to change my

1292
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,160
password well i couldn't

1293
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,520
because they were logged in too

1294
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:22,079
whoever this was so i kept getting an

1295
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:22,960
error

1296
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,440
um so then i sent myself forgot password

1297
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,119
or you know i got locked out because i

1298
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,839
tried so many times i sent myself

1299
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,640
for a gotten password and while i was

1300
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:35,760
staring at my

1301
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,960
gmail password or my gmail email the

1302
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,319
email was

1303
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,040
forgotten password was deleted while

1304
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:44,480
you're looking at the screen

1305
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,240
wow um and um

1306
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,920
i was really upset about that so i had

1307
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,920
to call them now this is where it gets

1308
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,359
really strange

1309
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,920
um so i had to call them i changed it

1310
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,520
then i thought well what the heck i

1311
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,839
should get another password manager

1312
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,079
because whoever this is knows this

1313
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,599
password

1314
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:06,079
so i so in the middle of the night i i

1315
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,040
change um

1316
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,319
to or i write down so i

1317
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,880
tried bit warden and not nothing against

1318
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,559
them they're fine

1319
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,480
i wrote on a rolodex card what my new

1320
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:18,559
password was for bit warden and i used a

1321
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,119
phrase

1322
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,760
and it was actually pickles and beer

1323
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:23,599
with an ampersand

1324
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,520
and so um i do that i write it down

1325
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,839
while i was sitting there my rolodex

1326
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:30,960
card disappears

1327
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,200
off my desk what i was so mad

1328
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,880
that i decided to get up in the middle

1329
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,480
of the night and change it and change it

1330
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,480
to peanut butter and jelly

1331
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,280
so that night so i did that and i moved

1332
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,880
a lot of my passwords over the ones that

1333
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:46,640
i thought were important

1334
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:49,920
and then that night my mind was probed

1335
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,440
for the password that i put peanut

1336
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,960
butter and jelly

1337
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,720
and the next day when i tried to get

1338
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,000
into bit warden my

1339
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,920
old my password peanut butter and jelly

1340
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:01,119
would not work

1341
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,270
which is you know touch id yes

1342
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:11,680
so i finally realized later that they

1343
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,710
this is disturbing on so many levels um

1344
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,799
when we come back after the break we're

1345
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:24,720
gonna set the stage

1346
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,720
uh with everybody um when the intrusion

1347
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,839
started

1348
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,880
who was there um and the other part

1349
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,839
about this

1350
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,480
is this was nightly and sometimes

1351
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,400
multiple times

1352
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,920
yes and we're gonna go through all of

1353
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:41,440
that when we come back after this short

1354
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,079
break

1355
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,960
the book is an amazing read abducted and

1356
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,400
furious you can get that over at

1357
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,799
jimmychurchradio.com

1358
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,319
the links are right there it'll take you

1359
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,000
straight to lisa o'hara online.com

1360
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,720
lisa o'hara is our guest this is fade to

1361
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:59,440
black on the game changer network and kg

1362
00:58:19,840 --> 00:57:59,839
r

1363
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:19,850
[Music]

1364
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:20,560
[Applause]

1365
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,559
[Music]

1366
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,880
this is faded black with jimmy church on

1367
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1368
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,549
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1370
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1395
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1396
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1397
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1398
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1399
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01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,920
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welcome back fade to black i am your

1483
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:25,680
host jimmy church tonight lisa o'hara is

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here

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01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,559
the book is abducted and furious

1486
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1487
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:34,240
got furious

1488
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,599
the book is an amazing read and what uh

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01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:40,720
what we're gonna do now lisa uh let's go

1490
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:41,359
back

1491
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,960
and uh one of the uh one of the reasons

1492
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:47,440
why i found the book so compelling

1493
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,240
is you set the stage for your

1494
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,200
pissed-offedness is that is that the

1495
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:54,880
right words right

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01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:57,359
i think so yes yes and and you set the

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stage for that

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01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,359
um let's let's go back and i want to do

1499
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,559
a deep dive

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01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:06,000
into these incidents if we can um but

1501
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,559
take me back to the first

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01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,599
the the first night that you

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01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,160
you were visited i'm trying to frame the

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01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,000
words correctly here

1505
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:20,000
uh but take me back to the first night

1506
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:21,119
what happened

1507
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,559
the first night i actually um had

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01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:27,839
got cut my leg on a recycling bin

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01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,880
um and i had gone to bed

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01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,799
and all of a sudden it was fine and then

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01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,119
all of a sudden it started throbbing

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01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,400
and um i

1513
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,440
saw uh a

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01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,400
praying mantis by my bed and it was

1515
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:46,240
about six seven feet tall it seemed

1516
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,880
motherly

1517
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,799
and wanted me to know that its name was

1518
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,240
moma

1519
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:52,880
and that they she wanted me to go to her

1520
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,359
ship

1521
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,839
she was talking to me telepathically it

1522
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:57,440
was very she was sort of greenish

1523
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,640
looking

1524
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,960
and i was just pretty fascinated by her

1525
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,960
i couldn't turn my eyes away from her i

1526
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:04,640
didn't feel paralyzed

1527
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,240
i just felt like i was um could not

1528
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:10,319
believe what i was looking at because

1529
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,109
but i didn't in that case

1530
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:22,319
and so i just stared at her in

1531
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,520
fascination

1532
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:25,440
and i was afraid if i looked away she

1533
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,559
would disappear

1534
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,720
but she wanted me to give her permission

1535
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,319
to take me to her ship

1536
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:33,280
and she tried really hard you know

1537
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,240
finally saying

1538
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,559
if please please let me take you to your

1539
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,319
ship and fix your leg

1540
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,799
and i said no i just i just cannot agree

1541
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,640
to that i cannot agree to that

1542
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,440
um she eventually said what if i just

1543
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:47,200
come and take you to the

1544
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:51,039
ship and i and i retrieved that

1545
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,559
you from there will that be okay

1546
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,160
which i thought was strange but i was

1547
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:57,920
like okay uh um

1548
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,119
that would be okay and uh the next day

1549
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,960
you know i fell asleep immediately after

1550
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:04,559
that the next day

1551
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,839
my leg didn't hurt anymore and your

1552
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:09,760
husband's in bed

1553
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:13,440
yes and and now this was um

1554
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:16,640
a total physical experience

1555
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:19,839
yes this wasn't a dream she was there

1556
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,280
momo right yeah yeah and um

1557
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,280
i i've made this comment so many times

1558
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:26,400
and i don't mean to be

1559
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,960
cavalier um at all but a praying mantis

1560
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,880
uh which i've never seen but that would

1561
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,799
that would freak me out and would scare

1562
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,880
me but the comments

1563
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:39,680
uh that i have heard uh over the years

1564
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,319
is that

1565
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:42,640
no the praying mantis beings are

1566
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,559
actually pretty cool

1567
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,799
right you didn't freak out you weren't

1568
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,839
scared

1569
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,599
seven foot praying mana standing in

1570
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:51,039
front of you

1571
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:54,319
yeah i i don't know why i wasn't scared

1572
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,680
um i i did i it's funny when i saw it i

1573
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:59,200
was just like i said i was sort of

1574
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,240
awestruck

1575
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,559
i wasn't uh fearful i don't know why

1576
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:04,799
maybe she didn't give off a

1577
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,920
menacing feeling but that's what i found

1578
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,760
is that the really bad guys

1579
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:12,720
uh give off a menacing feeling they want

1580
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,280
you to be

1581
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,440
as fearful as possible right but this

1582
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:17,760
one so i don't know what her intent was

1583
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,799
or if she was a she i don't know um i

1584
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:22,240
got that impression from her and the

1585
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,640
name

1586
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,480
certainly gives you an impression of

1587
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,160
gender of female

1588
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:29,119
but i just didn't feel i didn't feel

1589
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:30,319
scared but i just

1590
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,520
like i said the uh idea of a praying

1591
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,160
mantis being an alien being that's in

1592
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,520
your room

1593
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,280
uh of course my husband falls asleep

1594
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:41,359
right away as soon as it has fits the

1595
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:42,079
pillow

1596
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:44,480
he's never awake uh i just could not

1597
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,680
believe what i was seeing

1598
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,599
you know and then i fell immediately to

1599
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,280
sleep so

1600
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,760
so your legs your leg is healed the next

1601
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,079
day did that surprise you

1602
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,760
yes it did and i knew then but i would

1603
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,359
that's just how i think about everything

1604
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,520
what do you i learn from these things

1605
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,559
what i learned is we all have implants

1606
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:06,160
now we're gonna we're gonna get into

1607
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,839
that in a second uh

1608
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,400
uh later on in the show the implants

1609
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,559
part of this i love your magnets uh

1610
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,720
comment in the book by the way yeah

1611
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,839
really made me laugh

1612
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,359
you've got a great laugh by the way

1613
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,359
you've got a great smile

1614
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:21,759
um and and as you're making comments in

1615
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,839
your life

1616
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,839
because you know this sounds outrageous

1617
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,080
and it sounds outrageous to you

1618
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,199
and i can see that yeah i can see that

1619
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:34,480
um now okay so that was the first um

1620
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,080
did you have um a total recall

1621
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,279
total memory of everything the next day

1622
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,560
uh no i didn't um i didn't um i didn't

1623
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:46,400
have any memory of it and that's one of

1624
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,679
the things

1625
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,440
that i think is so frustrating about the

1626
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,279
whole et experience

1627
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,880
good or bad you know whether the

1628
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:55,040
contactees or the experiencers

1629
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,719
anyone who comes in contact with the

1630
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:59,279
being their mind is

1631
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:02,239
either wiped or blanked out in some way

1632
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,279
and

1633
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:05,440
i find that to be extremely disturbing

1634
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:06,319
and negative and

1635
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,679
actually hostile because you are

1636
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,279
entitled to know what's really happening

1637
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,880
to you at night but you don't know it

1638
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,679
because they

1639
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,000
intentionally make sure that you can't

1640
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,759
remember anything

1641
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,920
and so what are they really doing what's

1642
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,040
their agenda

1643
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:24,159
i mean all you can go by is

1644
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,520
what you remember which is nothing

1645
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:30,960
right now what year was this

1646
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:33,679
the praying madness momo it was probably

1647
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:34,880
2017.

1648
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:42,630
what what happened the next night

1649
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,480
i don't know i mean the very next night

1650
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,080
you know different things i would wake

1651
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,239
up always wake up at 4am or different

1652
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,000
times i would try to remember

1653
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,920
things um i would go to my

1654
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,159
medium and say i need help this is

1655
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,080
happening i just saw praying mantis i

1656
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,440
don't know what to do

1657
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,120
and then she would try to help me break

1658
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:04,640
my soul contracts

1659
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:07,679
um she tried different things she

1660
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,760
she had me um demanding my right to

1661
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,840
free will demanding my right to my

1662
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,159
sovereignty

1663
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,560
she had me write a statement of

1664
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:19,840
protection

1665
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,640
she had me do you know shower with salt

1666
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:24,480
or put salt everywhere and

1667
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,600
himalayan mats and salt mats and

1668
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,800
um none of this worked no none of it

1669
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,280
worked i tried everything

1670
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:35,760
so um i was scouring the web during that

1671
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,480
time too

1672
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:39,199
because i was realizing that i was still

1673
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,480
leaving

1674
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,640
and um the re can i tell why i was

1675
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:43,760
leaking i was leaving

1676
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,239
yes yes of course i'm fascinated

1677
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,280
the the book is just i mean i

1678
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,120
i haven't turned pages like that in

1679
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,640
quite a while

1680
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:57,360
um now and there's a there's another

1681
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,239
point i want to make

1682
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,239
um i want to ask you about you

1683
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,159
chronicled you wrote everything you

1684
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,840
journaled everything you drew

1685
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,960
everything right yes and

1686
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:09,280
would you recommend that to anybody

1687
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,159
absolutely

1688
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,840
i think it's the only way because

1689
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,440
whatever dreams you have

1690
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,960
you need to write them down you need to

1691
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,560
write everything you can think of

1692
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,719
everything you remember because there

1693
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,560
are actually clues

1694
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,159
that you have a lot of people think

1695
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:23,760
there is nothing i know

1696
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,960
about the what happened before or after

1697
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,760
my abduction but the truth is there are

1698
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:30,640
some there

1699
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,199
and um but you have to be looking for

1700
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,440
them so one of the things i noticed

1701
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,800
and it took me it did take me an

1702
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,960
absurdly a long time i think in

1703
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:40,560
hindsight but when you're in this

1704
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,520
situation

1705
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:44,000
you know some of your possibilities just

1706
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,120
aren't there you're not

1707
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:47,199
in the possibility range of being

1708
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,400
abducted so

1709
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:50,000
keep that in mind don't be hard on

1710
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,520
yourself

1711
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,840
but i started noticing that my clothes

1712
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,120
had this weird smell

1713
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,600
oh let's can we talk about that

1714
01:12:02,310 --> 01:11:58,560
absolutely

1715
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:02,320
now i have never i've never

1716
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,400
heard this before and

1717
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,800
uh i couldn't i couldn't absorb this

1718
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,560
enough i went back and read this section

1719
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,120
of the book over again your laundry room

1720
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:17,040
how you were hanging anything um okay

1721
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,120
um what did you how did you word it

1722
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,239
how did you work yeah b.o body odor and

1723
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:25,360
feet

1724
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:32,470
i just listen everybody you've got to

1725
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:36,080
really pay attention here pay attention

1726
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,679
okay when did you first notice this

1727
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,400
um i noticed it uh you know i can't

1728
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,000
remember the exact time

1729
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,679
because now this is quite a few years

1730
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,600
ago for me um

1731
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,760
but i first i just noticed that my

1732
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,360
clothes had this weird smell and it

1733
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,360
smelled like bio and feet and i would

1734
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,360
be like what in the heck happened did i

1735
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,520
really sweat in these clothes

1736
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,760
um so i'd throw them in the laundry bin

1737
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:00,960
i'd you know

1738
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,400
so then the next time day when i

1739
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,600
uh picked up some clothes um they were

1740
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,199
in the laundry room now i will do all

1741
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,719
the washing and my husband does all the

1742
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,560
folding that's our deal

1743
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,560
and so because i hate to fold and he

1744
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,760
hates the way i fold

1745
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,640
so that's a good deal it works out yeah

1746
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:19,760
so

1747
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,080
clothes had uh the smell

1748
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,960
so i have two cats two main cats and

1749
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,640
they're very large cats and i thought

1750
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:29,840
wow well this

1751
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,560
these cats are in the laundry room with

1752
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,920
you know the cat boxes are in the

1753
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:35,760
laundry room with my clothes

1754
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,719
maybe it's coming from the cat box so or

1755
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:40,320
maybe i didn't use enough laundry

1756
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,920
detergent so each time i

1757
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,239
throw them all back into the laundry

1758
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,719
then i started moving the clothes

1759
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,640
out of the laundry now each time i had

1760
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,239
made one of these actions

1761
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,120
i would find the same result bo and feet

1762
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:55,440
there were times then that i also

1763
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,239
had found them in the dryer that smelled

1764
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,480
like bo and feet

1765
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,040
so you know i finally and then i started

1766
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,280
moving them to the closet and not

1767
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,480
putting them out now all of these

1768
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,400
clothes are my favorites

1769
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,280
and it finally dawns on me that the

1770
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,040
reason these clothes smell is because

1771
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,600
those are the times i'm leaving

1772
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,760
and i'm leaving my house i am putting on

1773
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:21,440
clothes because i don't sleep with

1774
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,400
clothes on

1775
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,080
i'm putting on my clothes and i'm

1776
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,159
leaving and that's what the environment

1777
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,120
smells like where they're taking me

1778
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,960
and that took me a very long time to

1779
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,320
figure that out but

1780
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,280
those are the clues so that's a clue

1781
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:36,719
that you're actually leaving

1782
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,920
yeah you're saying leaving let's let's

1783
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:41,360
be very clear here

1784
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:44,480
you smell the bo and feet the body odor

1785
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:45,520
and feet

1786
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,719
and now you know when you were abducted

1787
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,000
and you started to put the clues

1788
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,840
together right now

1789
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,360
did you i have to ask you did your

1790
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:54,880
husband's clothes ever

1791
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:58,159
smell of body odor and feet no just

1792
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,960
yours

1793
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,920
just mine just my favorite ones and then

1794
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,000
eventually all of them

1795
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,040
oh man um

1796
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,560
i want comments from everybody

1797
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,760
about this have you heard of this before

1798
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,280
or have have you experienced uh

1799
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,640
this before and and uh okay so now we've

1800
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,239
got clues

1801
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:24,400
to what may have happened the night

1802
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,440
before or

1803
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,199
earlier that week and you know what

1804
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:29,760
clothes you wore on what day

1805
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:33,520
correct and uh at that one point

1806
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,400
i took all of my clothes off of where

1807
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:38,000
wherever they i put them all in my

1808
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,960
closet

1809
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:42,080
and but i left a um orange or

1810
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:45,440
you know bright orange workout tank top

1811
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:46,480
on the

1812
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:50,719
night i had a dream about

1813
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,400
wearing only a orange tank top

1814
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,679
with no bottom so

1815
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,360
i'm starting to you know put things

1816
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,679
together it's funny in the book you said

1817
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,360
tmi

1818
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,280
yeah at that point this is too much

1819
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:07,120
information but i'm just telling you

1820
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,320
guys

1821
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,760
how it went down um and the orange tank

1822
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:13,199
top

1823
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:17,600
yup smelled like bio and feet

1824
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:21,920
that's she's laughing i'm not laughing

1825
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,719
lisa is laughing yes i'm this is this is

1826
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:26,560
extraordinary now

1827
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:29,679
um there's another part you sent me

1828
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,280
um a lot of images uh that were taken

1829
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:35,360
i want to jump into this now because

1830
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,400
this also

1831
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,400
is in this section of the book too as

1832
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:40,640
well but i want to explore this a little

1833
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,440
bit further

1834
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:44,320
because the information is there it's in

1835
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,880
the book

1836
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,159
but i've got questions um you

1837
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,280
started to document with images and

1838
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,679
photographs

1839
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:56,159
the some of the physical changes that

1840
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,199
happened to you

1841
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,480
and you would see them the next day

1842
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,040
some of the images are in the book i

1843
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,040
don't know how many images you sent to

1844
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,320
me i didn't go back and cross

1845
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,600
check but wow okay

1846
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:16,870
they look you you discuss in the book

1847
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:19,920
that this is possibly

1848
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:23,679
a a taser type of immobilizing

1849
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,920
uh device that was being used on you

1850
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:30,719
you suspected this so let's go to the

1851
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,120
what

1852
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,159
the first day that you saw these

1853
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,960
these marks on your body um and they're

1854
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:37,440
they're

1855
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,000
tell me about that um actually

1856
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,400
i'm not sure when i first saw them but i

1857
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,719
started seeing them all the time

1858
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,400
and i started seeing them you know in

1859
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,159
various places on my arms

1860
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,800
on my chest um i could feel them on my

1861
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:55,920
back

1862
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,640
and i started realizing that you know

1863
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:00,320
when i would look at all of the other

1864
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:04,239
things on the web about having a square

1865
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,520
mark on people's arms on their

1866
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,239
whatever biceps or wherever they would

1867
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,280
have them

1868
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,440
some people would talk about that um and

1869
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,440
then i finally realized that mine looked

1870
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,600
kind of like spider bites to a degree

1871
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,280
because they were two there was always

1872
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,880
two and they were always parallel to

1873
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,840
each other

1874
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,760
and then i finally realized that they

1875
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,000
were i thought they were stun gun marks

1876
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:28,719
and the square was actually two stun gun

1877
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:29,600
marks

1878
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,520
i finally realized that that's how they

1879
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,440
were getting me to sleep

1880
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:39,760
or maybe they were stunning me and i

1881
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:40,480
don't know

1882
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,840
started realizing that that was one of

1883
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,920
the marks that i could count on them to

1884
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,120
give me

1885
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:49,760
and then i just started noticing every

1886
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:50,400
single

1887
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,840
um bruise or raised mark i found a lot

1888
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,480
of

1889
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:57,040
marks that were extremely raised they

1890
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,719
had a hole in the middle like they were

1891
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:01,760
being used by a syringe and i

1892
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,280
also found tons of bruises and

1893
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,760
you know some i didn't take pictures of

1894
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,120
if this is happening to you

1895
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,199
take pictures all the time because i

1896
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,800
didn't know i'd write a book and i don't

1897
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:13,760
have

1898
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:19,440
so i took as many as i could and you

1899
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,480
know a lot of these

1900
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,480
marks look like brands there was one

1901
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:23,840
that looked like a little y

1902
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:26,560
on my knee um i had you know i had

1903
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:27,280
picture

1904
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,719
like six finger marks you know

1905
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,880
like a hand print on either side of my

1906
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,000
legs

1907
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,440
and then i actually have one and i'm

1908
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,199
sure i sent this to you

1909
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,480
but it was looked like jp or sp

1910
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,239
or something like that it looked like

1911
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,560
somebody took a syringe

1912
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,880
or some kind of thing and made a little

1913
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:48,800
brand mark on my leg

1914
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:51,920
and so over and over i mean i just

1915
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,640
i take pictures they've mostly stopped

1916
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:56,400
every once in a while i'll get one

1917
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,520
and i take a picture of it because a lot

1918
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,199
of them just look strange they don't

1919
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:03,120
look like any normal brews where it's

1920
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:03,520
just

1921
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:06,159
a bruise these have little dots in the

1922
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,120
middle

1923
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,199
and so i don't know what that's from but

1924
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,719
the stun gun marks are always the same

1925
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:15,280
and they always have some sort of skin

1926
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,320
that's burnt

1927
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:18,080
on the you know on the inside of the

1928
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,520
stun gun

1929
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,760
the skin i guess where the prongs are

1930
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:23,679
stuck into your skin

1931
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,840
and so you know i don't know if that's

1932
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,440
just a torture device

1933
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:29,760
but i have a lot of them it's slowed

1934
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:30,639
down but

1935
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,000
it's still used the one of the images

1936
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:37,199
um uh looked like i've never seen a

1937
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:37,920
bruise

1938
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,679
like that i don't i don't wake up with

1939
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,120
bruises

1940
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:43,760
um i would freak out right you know how

1941
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:44,480
did that

1942
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,199
get there right right that's a that's

1943
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,800
physical trauma of some kind

1944
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:51,280
uh to get a bruise but the one that

1945
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:51,920
looked like

1946
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,520
three three dots with another dot

1947
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:57,679
in the middle i mean when you see

1948
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,800
something like that

1949
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:01,600
on your own body right and you don't

1950
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:01,920
know

1951
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,120
how it got there i mean that is physical

1952
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,120
but it's also a pattern

1953
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,600
it's a very strange thing what what did

1954
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,440
you what went through your mind lisa

1955
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,880
when you saw that

1956
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,920
and how big was it in the picture i

1957
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,560
can't really

1958
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,480
i don't want to know really necessarily

1959
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,000
what body part

1960
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:22,560
but it was probably my leg that was your

1961
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,520
leg okay

1962
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:26,000
yeah um but but how big was that that

1963
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,800
triangle

1964
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,880
the the three dots with the one in the

1965
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,560
middle the bruise

1966
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,800
um it was about the size of a quarter or

1967
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:35,120
maybe two quarters you know if you

1968
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:38,880
right see that's even crazier yeah

1969
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,000
um uh

1970
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:45,360
you mentioned um in the book that

1971
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:49,120
this was possibly happening many times a

1972
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:50,560
night it wasn't just one

1973
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:54,159
abduction yeah i started to think that

1974
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,920
because sometimes i would make wake up

1975
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:57,360
multiple times

1976
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,159
and uh you know and it would usually be

1977
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,840
the same time or um

1978
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,000
i would also have times where i would

1979
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:06,159
have not missing time i don't even know

1980
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:07,520
what to call this and that's one of the

1981
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,639
problems

1982
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,280
with me my situations are so weird and

1983
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,960
so unexplainable there's not even a

1984
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,159
label for it

1985
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,400
but i would wake up and i have a digital

1986
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:18,639
clock that points the time on my ceiling

1987
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,520
and red

1988
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,960
letter i read read numbers and so i just

1989
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,360
need to open my eyes to see the time

1990
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,360
so there'd be times that i'd wake up at

1991
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,120
2 a.m three times

1992
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,159
you know or i'd wake up at 1

1993
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:35,600
35 when i went to bed at 2 a.m

1994
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,239
and just things like that where wait

1995
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:40,159
yeah i read that in the book

1996
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:43,600
okay so when you said that

1997
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:47,679
you you woke up 25 minutes

1998
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:50,880
earlier than when you

1999
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:54,000
last looked at the clock in other words

2000
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,000
you are now back in time by 30 minutes

2001
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:01,280
that's right and

2002
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,440
okay how is that possible

2003
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,400
in my reality before this my reality

2004
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,000
would never have believed something like

2005
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,679
this but when you're living it

2006
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:14,320
um you just have to chalk it up to you

2007
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,800
know

2008
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:17,040
high strangeness because how you can't

2009
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:18,880
explain it it doesn't have a label like

2010
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:21,840
i'm saying you know there's just no

2011
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,159
you know no way to know why this is

2012
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,320
happening how this is happening

2013
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,280
you know i i just don't even know it

2014
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,639
would it could it be

2015
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,199
i don't want to put words in your mouth

2016
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:35,440
but that you were removed from this

2017
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,320
timeline

2018
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,880
at that specific time you remember it

2019
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,000
but you were brought

2020
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,239
back into this timeline 30 minutes

2021
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,639
before and dropped off

2022
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,800
yes i i do believe that because that's

2023
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,080
happened in my car

2024
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,880
a couple of times and i really in my car

2025
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:52,480
it's really really dangerous i get

2026
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:53,280
really mad

2027
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,560
i drive a stick shift and i'll be taken

2028
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,600
out of my car while i'm about to shift

2029
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,679
into fourth gear to try to merge onto

2030
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:03,040
the freeway

2031
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:07,280
and then i'll be back suddenly back and

2032
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,719
my car is not is kind of like lagging on

2033
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,719
the side of the road you know not on the

2034
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,040
side not on the shoulder but actually

2035
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,880
waiting for the lane to end and

2036
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,560
everybody around me is trying to get

2037
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,560
away from this crazy woman

2038
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,400
driving this car they don't know what's

2039
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,480
going on and i'm now back

2040
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:27,600
and i'm not where i thought i was you

2041
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:28,639
know

2042
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,800
in the shifting pattern correct

2043
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,880
um maybe they think i have an automatic

2044
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,320
and it wouldn't matter but it does

2045
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,360
matter

2046
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,760
now yeah right it does mat with the

2047
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,000
stick shift it certainly matters

2048
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:44,960
now as you're going out this uh we're

2049
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:48,239
talking about 2017 to the present time

2050
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,920
you go and start to explore

2051
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,000
um you don't know what an abductee is

2052
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:55,520
now you're finding out and you're

2053
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:56,840
finding out about others

2054
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,080
experiences yours is very unique and

2055
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,400
i've talked to a lot of abductees

2056
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:05,360
were you finding um others that were

2057
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,639
going through

2058
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,880
uh the same experience were you getting

2059
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:10,960
your questions answered

2060
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,400
no i was not i actually

2061
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:16,560
looked and looked and looked for a group

2062
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:17,520
to talk to

2063
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,639
um and everyone i told my story to

2064
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:23,120
had never heard anything like it and at

2065
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,400
first i was kind of

2066
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,639
kind of thinking oh my gosh you know oh

2067
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:27,840
no

2068
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,520
are just my experiences

2069
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,840
and um it's okay that they're not like

2070
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,280
everyone else's but

2071
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:37,120
i looked for groups i just couldn't find

2072
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,800
anyone a lot of people don't want to

2073
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,679
talk about this

2074
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,840
a lot of contactees will talk about it

2075
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,080
because it's a positive experience

2076
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,600
but the negative abductees

2077
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,760
nobody will talk about it and why would

2078
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,239
they i mean this is a taboo subject

2079
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,639
it's a subject that people you can if

2080
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:55,840
you tell them

2081
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:58,320
because i have tried it because i try

2082
01:26:02,550 --> 01:25:59,199
everything

2083
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:02,560
but um they'll just slowly move away

2084
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,280
from you

2085
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,280
you know and then they'll tell everyone

2086
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,159
and now you know nobody talks to you so

2087
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,159
it's a really hard subject it's just you

2088
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,600
know first of all

2089
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,440
nobody even a lot of people don't

2090
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,440
believe in et's at all

2091
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:17,520
and then you have the people that may

2092
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,560
but that's a

2093
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,159
small group and then the people with the

2094
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:22,880
negative is even smaller group

2095
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,920
so you know thank god for for terry

2096
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,600
lovelace because

2097
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,679
i was so relieved to find someone like

2098
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,120
him who was

2099
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:33,679
reporting a negative experience and then

2100
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,480
i could report my experiences to him

2101
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,239
and then i could get some support for

2102
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,920
that but no there's

2103
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,840
not a lot of people out there willing to

2104
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:44,159
admit that they're in this position

2105
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:47,440
the uh uh the community though

2106
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:50,719
um as you know and terry uh thank you my

2107
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,520
brother he's

2108
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:53,360
he's a great guy i love terry i love

2109
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:54,560
lace a lot

2110
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:57,920
um but now you you know

2111
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,880
terry is is speaking to you and now you

2112
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:01,199
are

2113
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,639
able to uh talk to others uh

2114
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:06,960
around terry and discuss these

2115
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:10,000
experiences probably for the first time

2116
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,600
yes um yes that's true and then he

2117
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,840
encouraged me to write a book um when i

2118
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,199
read his book i felt

2119
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,199
kind of riveted by it because i felt

2120
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:21,120
like he was one of my people

2121
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:23,120
and you know it's hard to find people

2122
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:24,560
that are just like you

2123
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:27,360
or you know are in similar circumstances

2124
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,199
it's interesting i was just emailing

2125
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:31,360
with him today and we found out we have

2126
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,000
even more

2127
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:35,120
in common than i ever thought and that's

2128
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,159
good and bad but um you know

2129
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,639
there are groups out there and one thing

2130
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,639
i found is that a lot of people have

2131
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,120
uh very unique experiences i'm not the

2132
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:46,880
only one

2133
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,639
but i joined opusnetwork.org

2134
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:53,520
and i also joined the experiencer group

2135
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:54,639
at mufon

2136
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,760
and you know there are so many varieties

2137
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:59,360
of different stories out there it's just

2138
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:00,800
unbelievable

2139
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,920
so finding like-minded people can be

2140
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,960
difficult but

2141
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,800
it seemed like all of the groups that i

2142
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,480
joined you know i was at

2143
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,480
on a meetup group and they all had

2144
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,239
positive experiences they couldn't wait

2145
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,000
to meet an e.t

2146
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,000
they hoped they came to their house

2147
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,600
whereas i'm like

2148
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,440
get out of here what do you think you're

2149
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:21,760
doing you know

2150
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:23,199
let's take our break right here we

2151
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,880
talked about uh moma

2152
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,440
the uh the mantis being we're going to

2153
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:28,400
discuss

2154
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,840
some other uh scenarios of

2155
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,080
what may or may not be going on with

2156
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,320
lisa o'hara it's an incredible story

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it's an incredible book

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abducted and furious i'm your host jimmy

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church this is fade to black we'll be

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right back after this short break stay

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then

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host from church tonight lisa o'hara is

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here the book

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abducted and furious the links are over

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at jimmychurchradio.com

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takes you straight to lisa o'hara online

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dot com

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all right lisa um a couple of questions

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that uh popped up here uh with the fader

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knots one

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um have you ever used fluorescent

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lighting to look for markings

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i actually have yeah i've tried

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everything but i i'd be happy to use

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other uh ideas but yeah i have tried

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that and they're never

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any of those okay and i don't know why

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okay no

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fair enough oh the the pictures are are

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very very compelling

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um i don't know what i would do if i

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woke up the next day and i had

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you know puncture marks and and the

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other we're gonna talk about

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uh implants um in the next segment uh

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very strange too as well um oh i wanted

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to ask you

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because i'm looking at you which i

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just point which one is yeah that's what

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i thought

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yep yep okay we'll talk about that at

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the top of the hour

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that that is another part of this story

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that uh

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is just so strange um but

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okay you address different groups we

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talk about the mantis beings

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um and you've and you've tried to nanny

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cam

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by the way which is which is great um

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what other beings um have visited you

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um very large spiders and

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um like beetles

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and there would have been a a spider

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with uh

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like a hairless spider and uh one that

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looked like

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they were wearing a people suit what's a

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people suit

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yeah they're a spider and they're

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wearing a people suit

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like human clothes yeah no like as if

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they

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unzipped a human face oh

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out of town i did oh okay

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explain explain she just

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this is what she did everybody she

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unzipped her face

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[Laughter]

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um so

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i was being held by a spider

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uh well a human

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and his mouth wasn't moving but he was

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talking to me and saying

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where did what did you find out what's

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happened to you blah blah

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and then stood up and unzipped his face

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and all also his outfit you know how you

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can have like those

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t-shirts that look like tuxedos

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sort of like that and so unzip the whole

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thing and stepped out it was a giant

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spider

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scared yeah you know

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after a while seriously you just get

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sort of desensitized to everything

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and um you know i just after a while

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just had no fear i mean i've seen so

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many things

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i've seen eyeballs on my ceiling human

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eyeballs

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i've seen it between my clock numbers um

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i've seen um just stuff i mean after a

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while you're just like really

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you know why don't you try a little

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harder um

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to scare me because this just doesn't

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isn't working anymore

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uh they did show me a gray the shape of

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a gray face in red

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on my clock also um so i don't know

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what is what is between my clock numbers

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so my clock is red numbers and it would

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be

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like distorted i don't i don't know how

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01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:03,920
they do this but

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um instead of numbers there's two grays

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looking at me

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you're thinking to yourself

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01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,520
what is that i mean you're actually like

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01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,960
turning your head and cocking it and

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01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:18,560
trying to look at and closing your eyes

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01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:19,600
a couple of times

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01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:22,880
but instead it's two people

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or two eyeballs two sets of eyeballs

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looking at

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looking down at you from where your

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01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:30,400
clock was and now

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and now you know they're real because

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they blink so um

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and what lisa is describing remember

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she's got a clock that projects

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the time on her ceiling we've all seen

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that

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saying you're looking up at the ceiling

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at the clock numbers that are in red

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right

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but it's two eyeballs that ended up

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blinking four

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eyeballs oh four eyeballs now they look

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like they're separate so i don't know if

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it's people or what but yeah

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i'd see eyeballs and then they would

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blink

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so i knew that they were real you know

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it wasn't my imagination

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um i've also seen uh gray heads you know

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like just the head

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the shape of the head instead of my

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01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:15,360
numbers they're on my ceiling

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and um it looks like grays

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have you ever woken up your husband and

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01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:22,560
said dude come on

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01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:25,520
right now i don't know why but no and

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01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:27,280
that's a strange thing

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01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,119
because and it probably would not be

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there when i once i did that right

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01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,159
of course um but um i think that i have

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not and i don't know of why i don't do

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that

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i mean i've lost my fear and um you know

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01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,560
i'll walk try to walk up to them they

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01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:44,000
disappear um

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01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,719
i was i think i described in my journal

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01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,159
that i was had gone to the

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bathroom i put on my slippers because i

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01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:51,760
have scorpions because i live in

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01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:55,679
arizona and um i walked over to the

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toilet i sat down and i looked over

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01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:02,000
about five feet or 15 feet and there was

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01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,000
a slender gray

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01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:06,239
this that per that gray look kind of

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01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:07,280
look like um

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01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,800
five feet seven i'm five feet ten so i

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01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,400
feel like i can kind of gauge people's

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01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:14,480
height and

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01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,000
i wondered later had i should i just put

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on clothes i mean what would happen

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01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:23,760
but i was actually awake and i walked

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01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,320
you know i looked at that thing and then

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01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:27,760
it disappeared

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01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:30,480
so you know are they there all the time

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01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,320
and sometimes i can see them i don't

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01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:33,440
know

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01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:37,520
now strange now you uh

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01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:41,280
you suggest in the book that it may not

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01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,440
always be e.t there may be a human

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01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,679
component to this a mylab component a

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01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:48,960
government component

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01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:52,000
right yes um

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01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,600
one of the things that kept happening

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01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:55,280
and this is one of your clues uh

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01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,320
everyone

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01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:58,800
is that you i started noticing that well

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01:40:06,830 --> 01:39:59,360
i

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them

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01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:09,520
so i put on my night guard i go to sleep

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01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:10,639
it's on the bottom

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01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:13,840
i wake up the next day i have plaque now

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01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:17,199
where did it come from if i brush my

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01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,920
teeth

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01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,520
everything should be fine i just brush

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01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,600
my teeth put on my night guard

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01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:23,840
and so i had read the book by the

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01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,440
lammers i believe called my labs

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01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,760
and they talk about how you know the

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01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:31,600
military makes you eat something or

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01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:32,480
drink something

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01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:35,600
i have had tons of dreams

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01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:38,320
about going down a hundred floors in an

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01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,360
elevator

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01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:42,400
where they have the best cookie or

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01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:45,760
i need to see someone 100 floors down

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01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,320
and in this elevator and what i've

2442
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:50,320
realized is that a lot of people have

2443
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,520
this experience

2444
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,520
this is a common experience with

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01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,880
abductees

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01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,040
and so there's some we're going

2447
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,080
somewhere 100 floors down in an elevator

2448
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,639
what's happening there now when i've

2449
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:04,560
tried to look at it myself

2450
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,679
i've only been able to see you know the

2451
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,840
gist of what happened which is

2452
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:12,239
some sort of trauma some sort of beating

2453
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,360
going on

2454
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,320
and then them yelling at me that i know

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01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,480
more than i'm saying

2456
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:21,840
um so it seems to suggest that it's my

2457
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:22,639
labs

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01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:24,800
whether it is or it isn't i mean all

2459
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:27,280
every part of this is extremely

2460
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:30,560
vague and hard to grasp and it's hard to

2461
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,239
know what's true and what's not

2462
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,320
i'm just telling you my experiences and

2463
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:36,159
so that's what i believe is happening to

2464
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,880
me

2465
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:39,360
um that's since stopped so it could be

2466
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:41,119
the military is not that interested in

2467
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:41,679
me or

2468
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:44,320
they're hiding it now because you know

2469
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,679
maybe they're making they're

2470
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:47,119
shooting me up with something that's why

2471
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:48,800
i have syringe marks now

2472
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,159
um or more syringe marks but

2473
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,159
that's what's going on and so that's why

2474
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:55,920
i thought it was military

2475
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:58,800
do you think it's a combination of both

2476
01:42:02,550 --> 01:41:59,440
yes

2477
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:02,560
now um did the my

2478
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:06,719
lab component start after the et

2479
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:10,159
component you know i'm not really sure

2480
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:11,199
because

2481
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,360
finding things out

2482
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,280
you know unfortunately with your story

2483
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:19,600
you might start noticing things and then

2484
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,159
you

2485
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,960
notice other things or it could be that

2486
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,800
you notice some things first and you

2487
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,719
didn't make the connection

2488
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:29,440
with what they might be until later and

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01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:30,080
so

2490
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,480
you know as far as my story goes i'm

2491
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:34,480
trying to tell it in a kind of linear

2492
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,440
fashion

2493
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:37,600
but it might have been you know a couple

2494
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,679
steps back and a couple of steps forward

2495
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,199
as i'm trying to sort through

2496
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:44,159
everything that's happening to me and so

2497
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,280
i'm not really sure

2498
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,840
of the i think i just became more and

2499
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,840
more aware of everything

2500
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:51,840
as it was happening you know what i mean

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01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:52,960
i do i do

2502
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:56,639
um and what i was uh

2503
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:01,119
wondering is that the my lab

2504
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,480
somebody found out that you had your uh

2505
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:06,560
abduction experiences i'm talking about

2506
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:07,920
the military

2507
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,280
and then started their part of it

2508
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,320
um to throw you off

2509
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:17,280
of your actual experiences correct

2510
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:18,320
that's what i believe

2511
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:21,679
yeah yeah very interesting um

2512
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,560
the i want to get back uh uh to the uh

2513
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:25,600
body odor

2514
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:31,440
and and and feet um did that stop

2515
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:34,960
no when was the last time you had uh

2516
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,960
less when was the last time you had a

2517
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:39,840
body odor

2518
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:43,199
feet piece of clothing well

2519
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,800
actually you know that you mentioned it

2520
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,119
yes that part has stopped

2521
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:50,239
what i'm finding is that they're less of

2522
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,960
a smell

2523
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:53,679
so i don't know if i'm still going

2524
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,159
someplace and it doesn't smell as bad

2525
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,239
or they don't have me there as long

2526
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:00,080
because it's hard to know

2527
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,280
how long you are at these locations

2528
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,239
and so um or they're taking more care

2529
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:07,920
they're putting it in a nicer smelling

2530
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:08,960
room so that when i

2531
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:11,679
you know what i mean i do i do um do you

2532
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:12,800
have a

2533
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,000
uh a memory of being on a ship

2534
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:21,199
yes i have a couple of memories um one

2535
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,840
of them

2536
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,159
uh i've had a couple of really strange

2537
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,560
ones actually i had this one where i was

2538
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,719
on a ship it was white everywhere you

2539
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:30,639
know it had the aluminum table

2540
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,840
but the controls were actually on the

2541
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,440
glass there is a lot of glass

2542
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,600
in the front and there was controls on

2543
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,560
the glass

2544
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,800
you know how in star trek when they show

2545
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:43,119
you their tablet and it's clear

2546
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:45,280
and they make things on it well it was

2547
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,960
similar to that and there were these

2548
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:48,960
beings that looked like they were

2549
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:52,719
um like blue glowing beings

2550
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,960
like almost like they just had a peep

2551
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:56,159
some sort of

2552
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:59,600
like people outline to to a degree so

2553
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,320
they were

2554
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:03,600
were

2555
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:07,840
blue kind of a neon kind of like a

2556
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,520
neony blue like an led light so they

2557
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,800
were kind of glowing

2558
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,880
and so i was on one of their ships they

2559
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:16,719
pulled something out of me

2560
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:20,239
um then there's also um

2561
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:23,360
other ships where i i don't see the

2562
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,560
ship what i see are and i don't know if

2563
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:27,280
i'm in a ship

2564
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,199
a lot of them seem to be that i'm in an

2565
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:31,440
underground facility of some type

2566
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:34,480
some are underwater so as if

2567
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:38,320
we somehow got there and we're under the

2568
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:38,639
sea

2569
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:42,000
somewhere and they're performing surgery

2570
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:42,800
on me

2571
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:46,960
have you uh do you have kids no

2572
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:50,400
um can i ask how old you are

2573
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,440
i am going to be 60 in august

2574
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:55,360
you're gonna be 60. okay oh you look

2575
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:57,440
fantastic by the way i'm 58

2576
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:00,560
and i wish i looked like you um

2577
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:03,760
but so no kids no

2578
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,119
you ever wonder why yes i did

2579
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,840
okay okay is it okay to talk about this

2580
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,040
absolutely yeah

2581
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,400
i put in my book so okay okay

2582
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,880
um so what i had when i first found out

2583
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:19,199
one of the ways i found out

2584
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:22,960
was i was i was meditating

2585
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,760
and i heard i asked i said i was

2586
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:27,280
meditating for a couple of years

2587
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:28,320
actually because

2588
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:30,400
um i was listening to my spirit guides

2589
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:31,440
telling me

2590
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:35,040
first how to get a um mediumship teacher

2591
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,560
and they just said kept saying you need

2592
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,480
to meditate meditate meditate

2593
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,320
and i think what happened after a while

2594
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:42,880
was my vibration was raised enough

2595
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:46,320
to notice or to sense highly negative

2596
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,960
energy

2597
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,560
i think if we don't have a good enough

2598
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:50,000
vibration or it's too low

2599
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:53,440
we can't sense those things so i

2600
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:56,080
feel this horrible and severe negativity

2601
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,800
in my room

2602
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:58,560
one night as i'm meditating trying to

2603
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,199
sleep and i ask my spirit guide what in

2604
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:02,800
the heck is that feeling

2605
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,840
and they he said those are e.t those are

2606
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:07,280
the greys they're here to take you they

2607
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,719
stole all your eggs and that's why you

2608
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,560
don't have children

2609
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,320
which would mean this has been going on

2610
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:14,320
for a long time that's what i got from

2611
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:15,119
that

2612
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:18,800
shocking

2613
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,840
upsetting of course yes yes it was

2614
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,560
shocking

2615
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:25,440
it was you know when you have also when

2616
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,560
i was in my 30s

2617
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:28,960
and when my childbearing years i guess

2618
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:29,760
um

2619
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:32,719
i had a lot of weird experiences too now

2620
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:33,119
um

2621
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:36,239
i would wake up was i do a lot of

2622
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:38,159
sleepwalking i had a lot of night

2623
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:39,199
terrors

2624
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,000
i would wake up with a try only what i

2625
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:43,840
could think of was a black rectangle

2626
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:46,560
and i never knew what that was and uh i

2627
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,280
would

2628
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:49,360
wake up running down the hallway away

2629
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:50,400
from my bedroom

2630
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,119
i'd wake up crouched on the side of my

2631
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:55,040
bed staring into my closet

2632
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,280
and just things like that would happen

2633
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:59,280
and i never knew what that was about

2634
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:02,239
i also um you know had a regular period

2635
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,080
so that's okay to talk about

2636
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,000
and you know there were just times where

2637
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,159
i just had no idea what was going on and

2638
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:10,080
i didn't have the ticking clock

2639
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:14,159
so i didn't know why uh and everyone

2640
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,600
the ticking clock being

2641
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:20,639
the desire to have children now correct

2642
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,800
yeah and all my friends are getting

2643
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:24,239
married and having children that was the

2644
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,280
first thing they did

2645
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,600
and i just had no interest in it now it

2646
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:29,520
could be that's because i'm the oldest

2647
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:32,639
of four girls and i'd also already taken

2648
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:33,840
care of a lot of children

2649
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,639
but right right right you know right but

2650
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:38,639
it was just strange i did wonder about

2651
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:39,440
it and i just

2652
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:42,800
i wondered you know if i was normal so

2653
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,920
it reminds me of uh marissa tome and uh

2654
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:48,560
my cousin vinnie when she says my

2655
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:52,159
biological clock is ticking

2656
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:55,600
let's go um uh and

2657
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:57,920
now uh i want to shift gears a little

2658
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,880
bit

2659
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,960
because as you're finding all of this

2660
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:02,320
stuff out

2661
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:05,360
um and you're being a sleuth you're

2662
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:08,960
investigating right

2663
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:12,480
the remote viewing enters your life

2664
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,709
how do i say this i i don't want to you

2665
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,560
go and you take a couple of classes

2666
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,000
again i don't want to put words in your

2667
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:24,239
mouth but i want to jump ahead

2668
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,360
okay uh you go and you take

2669
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,320
uh a couple you take a couple of classes

2670
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,000
you get deep into this

2671
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,119
but you find out some things about

2672
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:36,880
remote viewing

2673
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:39,360
and contact and what you started to

2674
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,239
realize

2675
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:43,440
around yourself and i found that

2676
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:47,280
so fascinating um so

2677
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:50,800
as you you discuss pressures right

2678
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:54,719
pressure right in the room yes so

2679
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:58,000
uh describe to the audience what you're

2680
01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:58,960
referring to

2681
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,080
there and what that meant to you

2682
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:04,159
well at first you know i would hear this

2683
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,119
clunking

2684
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,840
um funking i guess would be like

2685
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:09,280
thunking a watermelon

2686
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,119
or snapping or

2687
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:15,840
cracking so at first i thought it was

2688
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,599
just my house settling

2689
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,679
because if you ask any person on the

2690
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:21,280
street oh my gosh i just heard this

2691
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,560
noise in my house

2692
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,320
the first thing it says oh it's probably

2693
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:25,679
just your house settling

2694
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,040
you know and so i um

2695
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:31,440
had taken a remote viewing course i'd

2696
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,400
read a book by

2697
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,960
um david moore house called psychic

2698
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:36,080
warrior

2699
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,480
and i decided to try his remote viewing

2700
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,320
course now he was in the military

2701
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:42,159
and uh so i thought yeah sounds

2702
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:43,520
interesting

2703
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:48,400
so um i did hear i did take his class

2704
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:51,440
everything was fine um i did i took the

2705
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,159
crv

2706
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:54,239
which is called coordinated remote

2707
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:55,440
viewing

2708
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,280
and he also has an extended remote

2709
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,040
viewing erv class

2710
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,400
so initially i took crv and i was

2711
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:05,599
doing the steps and all of a sudden i

2712
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,080
found

2713
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,880
myself first i smelled lavender that was

2714
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:10,480
the first time and i thought that was

2715
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:11,440
strange but

2716
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:13,920
you know i have do smell smells a lot of

2717
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:14,560
times

2718
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:17,840
that aren't nobody else can smell um and

2719
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,000
the second time i did it i found myself

2720
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,360
transported into a room with men

2721
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,679
in business attire like you know

2722
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:27,199
business casual

2723
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:29,760
like white a white shirt and khaki pants

2724
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,320
around

2725
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:32,639
crts and i was sitting in the middle of

2726
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,440
them

2727
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,840
was this when they were drinking coffee

2728
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,719
yes yes

2729
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,199
okay continue i could smell the coffee i

2730
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,040
don't drink coffee so i knew

2731
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,119
that wasn't my imagination because i

2732
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,960
could smell coffee i was in the room

2733
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:46,800
they had styrofoam cups

2734
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:49,520
i could sort of like hear the styrofoam

2735
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,320
you know how it

2736
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,440
squeaks and all of a sudden

2737
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:56,320
someone in that room said oh there you

2738
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:56,800
are

2739
01:52:01,189 --> 01:52:00,239
right and i didn't realize anyone could

2740
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,199
see me

2741
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,920
plus i didn't know where i was and then

2742
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:05,360
all of these

2743
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,239
remote viewers came flying out of

2744
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:10,239
wherever they were

2745
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:12,159
and i'm just recently getting rid of

2746
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,599
them

2747
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:16,000
but they've been terrorizing me for four

2748
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:17,440
years

2749
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:21,280
now three distinct sounds

2750
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:24,239
so let's go through this we have the cl

2751
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:25,360
the thud on

2752
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:28,560
the watermelon sound right the cracking

2753
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,119
sound

2754
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:31,520
and what's the third one the third one

2755
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:32,480
is a snap

2756
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:35,360
snap so we got three different sounds

2757
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:35,679
right

2758
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:38,880
the thud indicates what to you

2759
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:42,639
human human the crack

2760
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:45,920
indicates what to you e.t

2761
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:50,239
and the snap invisible beings

2762
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:53,520
so you would hear these sounds yes

2763
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:56,719
and you would know what when you heard a

2764
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,679
sound

2765
01:53:01,189 --> 01:53:00,000
i would know some a remote viewer was in

2766
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,199
the room with me

2767
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:03,679
and i didn't know what their purpose was

2768
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:04,800
but it seemed to

2769
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:07,199
terrorize me as one of their jobs and

2770
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,719
also to annoy me

2771
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,320
and actually it's interesting that you

2772
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,480
bring this up in this way

2773
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,480
but i've really recently realized that

2774
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:15,599
there's a fourth one

2775
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:18,480
and it's an astral projector and what

2776
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:19,760
sound is that

2777
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,920
it sounds like uh having a piece of

2778
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,280
paper that's wadded up

2779
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:25,280
and thrown on a tile floor you know when

2780
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:26,560
it hits

2781
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:29,679
yes i do actually i can imagine that

2782
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:31,760
okay well that's what those sound like

2783
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:33,119
so um

2784
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,400
okay so combined with this you felt

2785
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,360
uh this is great for everybody you know

2786
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:41,280
i thought about this a lot

2787
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:45,599
um in in in

2788
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,719
in my in my world so i want everybody to

2789
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,400
listen we have the three sounds now we

2790
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:51,599
have a fourth

2791
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:54,239
but there's a pressure change that

2792
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:55,840
happens

2793
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,159
explain um well i live in arizona

2794
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:02,080
uh well you're on my airplane your your

2795
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:03,599
head feels like there's a pressure

2796
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,440
change okay that's normal

2797
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:07,280
you're in your car and you feel a

2798
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:09,040
pressure change in your ear

2799
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:11,679
that's not normal right if you don't

2800
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:12,880
live in one of those

2801
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:16,080
high altitude places or your

2802
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:20,080
water bottle cracks while you're driving

2803
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,199
no that's not normal um so anytime you

2804
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,960
hear a pressure change now that actually

2805
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,400
might be a fifth one

2806
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:28,960
as far as we know because that might be

2807
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,520
um

2808
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,599
you know something we just can't see we

2809
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:33,599
don't know we don't know what it is

2810
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:35,119
and the reason i say that is because

2811
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:36,880
this just happened a couple of days ago

2812
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,239
maybe yesterday

2813
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:40,800
i was feeling like my house was extra

2814
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:42,080
cold

2815
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:44,000
and i was going around with my bowl my

2816
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:45,280
tibetan singing bowl

2817
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:47,360
to clear my house realizing that might

2818
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:48,400
be some

2819
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:53,119
cold as i walked around my entire house

2820
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:56,960
i walked through two invisible beings

2821
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:59,199
so i didn't know they were there and i

2822
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,480
walked through them

2823
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:02,639
and i felt tingly all over now i used to

2824
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:03,760
think those were ghosts

2825
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:06,880
are they i don't know um but i found two

2826
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:08,239
of them there and they were both just

2827
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:10,159
standing there i walked through them

2828
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:13,760
and then my house got warm so

2829
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,119
so you hear a thud yes

2830
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,440
and that would indicate you know a

2831
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,119
possible presser change but

2832
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:23,040
uh may be going at the same time but if

2833
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,320
you hear a thud

2834
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:26,800
that would indicate a human remote

2835
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:27,520
viewer

2836
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:30,800
is checking you out correct

2837
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,440
and actually those noises are called

2838
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,119
hitting the membrane

2839
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:38,400
when you remote view especially with the

2840
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:41,520
david morehouse's class

2841
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:43,760
there's something activity called

2842
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,119
hitting the membrane

2843
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,760
and when you go to that location your

2844
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:49,520
physical body is actually going

2845
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:52,719
there too and so a membrane

2846
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,040
is you feel it yourself hitting the

2847
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,280
membrane and there's also a sound

2848
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:59,440
so initially i didn't know why i mean i

2849
01:56:01,270 --> 01:56:00,800
knew that there were remote viewers

2850
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,280
because

2851
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,760
i was remote viewing into that place and

2852
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,599
they flew out at me

2853
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:08,000
you know kind of like a bunch of birds

2854
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:09,840
like the birds

2855
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,800
but um later i found that that was

2856
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:14,000
called hitting the membrane

2857
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:18,239
so um i now realize you know that i was

2858
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:18,960
on to it

2859
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:21,280
onto the situation but i just didn't

2860
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:22,639
know why they were there

2861
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,560
um at first i just i talked to a bunch

2862
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,639
of them that's how i knew that the thunk

2863
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,080
was human because what happened

2864
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:30,800
was i always say who are you why are you

2865
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:32,400
here why are you watching me

2866
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,599
you know and maybe other swear words

2867
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:38,000
but um and then they would talk to me

2868
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,800
sometimes

2869
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:40,800
you know and they would say i just have

2870
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:42,080
a job to do i'm doing

2871
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:45,599
my job you know and so then i would hear

2872
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,119
a crack and i would talk to them

2873
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:49,920
they wouldn't answer so and then when i

2874
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:50,400
then

2875
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,639
later the uh one of the human remote

2876
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,000
viewers told me it was called an

2877
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:56,560
invisible being

2878
01:57:03,189 --> 01:56:59,679
so crack e.t yes

2879
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:03,199
and uh the snap was

2880
01:57:07,030 --> 01:57:06,080
invisible being invisible being how do

2881
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:07,040
you know okay

2882
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:10,719
so the snap goes do you communicate at

2883
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:12,639
that point i i've talked to other remote

2884
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:14,639
viewers about this where they are in a

2885
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:16,080
room and they're looking they're looking

2886
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:17,520
at somebody's desk and there's somebody

2887
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:18,400
in there

2888
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:21,679
uh have they ever been seen and some

2889
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:22,800
have said yes

2890
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:25,599
that they've seen people turn around and

2891
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:27,280
look right at them

2892
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:30,639
they know they're there but physically

2893
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:33,760
they're they're not but they are

2894
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:35,679
looked at people turn around and look at

2895
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:37,679
them they can sense them

2896
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:41,520
yes i do i do look at them and um

2897
01:57:44,950 --> 01:57:44,400
you know it's just like but you can't

2898
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:44,960
see them

2899
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:47,520
so that's one of the problems uh you

2900
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:48,239
have to

2901
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:50,080
you know like i say be a detective of

2902
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:51,520
your own life and look

2903
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:53,679
look try to figure out what's going on

2904
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:54,560
because

2905
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:56,159
they're not going to tell you you know

2906
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,599
they're not going to tell you

2907
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:59,760
the thing you need to know i mean you

2908
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:00,639
know

2909
01:58:04,629 --> 01:58:03,520
why they're there or whatever but um

2910
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:04,639
yeah i can't

2911
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:07,119
i haven't been able to see one um you

2912
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:09,040
know occasionally i'll see lights on my

2913
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,320
ceiling i mean like

2914
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:12,880
a lightning a lightning strike you know

2915
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:14,560
like when you have multiple clouds and

2916
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:15,760
there's a little

2917
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,560
pop-up of light i'll see that i don't

2918
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:20,960
know if that is a remote viewer

2919
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:22,960
but yeah it's interesting i'm glad you

2920
01:58:25,830 --> 01:58:24,320
talked to remote viewers because

2921
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:25,840
probably when you read that

2922
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:28,159
a lot of it you know rang true for you

2923
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:29,679
yeah i've talked to a lot of remote

2924
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:30,880
viewers and i've i've

2925
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:34,960
wanted to go through the classes i i've

2926
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:36,560
it's just fascinating to me i've seen

2927
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,080
people do remote viewing

2928
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,360
in front of me and it's uh

2929
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:43,119
it's a really really cool thing and i

2930
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:45,040
think we all have the gift you just have

2931
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:46,080
to know

2932
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:48,800
you know how to do it and practice yes

2933
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:49,760
and do it

2934
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,679
uh before we get to uh the break here

2935
01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:53,040
i've got about 15 seconds

2936
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:55,840
when was the last time you heard a thud

2937
01:59:02,310 --> 01:58:56,239
uh

2938
01:59:03,430 --> 01:59:02,320
see somebody knew you were coming on

2939
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:03,440
this show they do

2940
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:06,880
yes yeah 100 stay right there lisa let's

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01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:08,080
take our break this

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is fade to black i am your host jimmy

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church fascinating conversation

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i guess tonight lisa o'hara more with

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3061
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:31,520
of studios

3062
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:33,920
with a lot of computers they all run

3063
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,159
virtual shield vpn nobody knows where i

3064
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:38,480
am nobody can find me

3065
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:41,440
nobody can do anything you need virtual

3066
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:43,360
shield it's easy to do

3067
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:45,679
all right get your vpn right now by

3068
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:46,800
clicking on the link

3069
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:49,360
right below in the video description box

3070
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:51,040
it'll take you straight over to virtual

3071
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:52,000
shield where you will get

3072
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:55,280
virtual shield vpn for 50

3073
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:57,599
off today you can also type in your

3074
02:05:00,310 --> 02:04:59,440
browser if you want to do it virtual

3075
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:00,320
shield dot com

3076
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:03,760
forward slash fade to black 50

3077
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:06,000
off today they are a great sponsor of

3078
02:05:10,149 --> 02:05:07,119
the show

3079
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:10,159
um i run secure i know that everything

3080
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:10,800
that i do

3081
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:12,480
all of my web searches all of my

3082
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:15,119
browsing history my location

3083
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:18,880
all secret and that's the way i do

3084
02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:19,599
things get

3085
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:23,040
virtual shield vpn today

3086
02:05:29,910 --> 02:05:26,400
um lisa um jumping back

3087
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:29,920
uh to our conversation earlier about

3088
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:32,960
started to get into implants

3089
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:36,320
um this is a subject that is uh has come

3090
02:05:41,189 --> 02:05:37,119
and gone

3091
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,199
in in ufology uh over the years

3092
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:43,599
um there are some great researchers that

3093
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:45,440
follow this subject

3094
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:49,280
um what is what have you found out

3095
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,239
well i found out that i actually had uh

3096
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:54,159
besides the one in my eye which i'll

3097
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:55,440
talk about in a minute

3098
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:58,239
i have found them in my body um i found

3099
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:58,719
one

3100
02:06:02,709 --> 02:06:00,480
and i was in a hotel when this happened

3101
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:02,719
but i found that i had an ingrown hair

3102
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:04,320
on my thigh

3103
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:06,639
and i pulled out the hair and there was

3104
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:07,760
a hole underneath

3105
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,880
this is not in my book um

3106
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:12,320
and i pulled it out and i felt like

3107
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:14,000
there was a little marble underneath

3108
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:17,520
so i you know squeeze it a while

3109
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:19,280
and finally this little flesh marble

3110
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,679
popped out now since i was in a hotel i

3111
02:06:26,709 --> 02:06:23,280
didn't have a knife to cut it open

3112
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:26,719
but it actually was surrounded by flesh

3113
02:06:30,629 --> 02:06:29,119
and it just basically died and it

3114
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:30,639
disintegrated

3115
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:33,280
so i don't know what that was and uh it

3116
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:34,079
was just

3117
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:36,320
disturbing to find something like that

3118
02:06:40,350 --> 02:06:38,480
that was a part of my body but not a

3119
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:40,360
part of my body you know a marble

3120
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:43,119
[Laughter]

3121
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:45,599
under the skin that needed my body to

3122
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:46,880
survive

3123
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,079
um but i also have an eye implant

3124
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,400
and uh as a disclaimer and i put this in

3125
02:06:56,149 --> 02:06:53,760
my book too

3126
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,159
i do have eye issues i had cataract

3127
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,079
surgery when i was 33.

3128
02:07:01,270 --> 02:07:00,480
and um so my eyes ball has been worked

3129
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:01,280
on

3130
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:04,400
um that was in 1993 i believe or i was

3131
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:05,760
32 i guess

3132
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:09,599
um so i had that down in both eyes

3133
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:12,400
well i don't know when i finally noticed

3134
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:14,639
this but i started realizing that my

3135
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:17,920
um at night my eye my right eye

3136
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:20,639
and this eyeball problem that he can see

3137
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:21,520
i can see it

3138
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:24,880
yes is actually my eyelid

3139
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:27,440
is inflamed because i have to use drops

3140
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:28,000
for

3141
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,320
glaucoma and irritates my eyelids so it

3142
02:07:32,950 --> 02:07:32,159
makes me look like a one big eye and one

3143
02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:32,960
little eye

3144
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,880
but the truth is it's just my eyelid is

3145
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:36,159
puffy but

3146
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:40,000
at any rate the um the eye implant is

3147
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:43,440
glowing a lot of times um it glows

3148
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:45,199
as soon as i go to bed and the lights go

3149
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:46,560
off all i can see is it

3150
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:48,800
it's in my right eye if i turn my head

3151
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:50,560
to the right it'll turn off

3152
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:53,280
um but it will turn back on in the

3153
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,480
middle of the day

3154
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:56,239
encircles my eye it's sort of like that

3155
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:57,760
little orb that you have

3156
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:59,360
when you rub your eye when you close

3157
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:00,880
your eyes you can see it

3158
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,960
it's like that but it goes off on its

3159
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,960
own it looks like it's rebooting

3160
02:08:08,069 --> 02:08:06,639
sometimes it feels like there's somebody

3161
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:08,079
watching me through my own

3162
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:11,199
eyes other times it's

3163
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:14,639
very very bright and it changes shape

3164
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,239
and the other thing that happens is

3165
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:18,239
sometimes there's also one in my left

3166
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:18,560
eye

3167
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:26,719
see it most times and it's

3168
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,480
change shape it looks like a zebra it

3169
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:30,239
looks like a butterfly

3170
02:08:34,149 --> 02:08:32,000
but it looks like all up close so you

3171
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,159
really can't see any definition of the

3172
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:36,480
zebra or butterfly but it kind of has

3173
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:39,679
a butterfly look and um

3174
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:42,800
so i see that and i feel very

3175
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:45,199
you know suspicious of it because i

3176
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:46,639
don't know where it came from i have no

3177
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:48,400
idea what it's doing

3178
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:52,000
and as a result uh i also had surgery in

3179
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:53,199
um

3180
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,560
2015 i had another eye surgery on my

3181
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:57,920
right eye only

3182
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,520
and i found out that

3183
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,000
a month after that surgery my right

3184
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:06,960
pupil stopped working it won't constrict

3185
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:13,510
optic nerve damage now it didn't have

3186
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,520
that right after the surgery

3187
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:17,920
everything was fine so it's my belief

3188
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:18,960
that that was them

3189
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:22,239
that did that um but when i go to the

3190
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:23,360
ophthalmologist

3191
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:25,440
they don't see anything everything's

3192
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:26,480
normal

3193
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,520
so i don't know why i can only see it

3194
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:31,360
for a while i thought it was a hologram

3195
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:33,679
i tried to get rid of it but it's not

3196
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:34,960
it's really is there

3197
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:37,679
and it really is being used by someone

3198
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:39,280
but i don't know who

3199
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,520
you can see it um but your

3200
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:43,199
ophthalmologist can't

3201
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:46,719
uh i went i know exactly what you're

3202
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:48,000
talking about i had

3203
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:51,440
uh some work done a few years ago

3204
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:54,560
and i'm looking at the photographs of my

3205
02:09:58,830 --> 02:09:55,119
eyes

3206
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:58,840
right the imaging they can see

3207
02:10:02,550 --> 02:10:00,079
everything

3208
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:02,560
yes you look at those images and they're

3209
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:04,880
photographing inside of your eye

3210
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:07,280
yeah and capturing this and i was

3211
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:09,679
looking at white blood cell count and

3212
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:10,719
things

3213
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:12,960
um and seeing what is going on i could

3214
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:14,000
see the difference you know

3215
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:16,800
i my problem is in my left eye by the

3216
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:17,520
way

3217
02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:20,639
uh and my pupil was stuck open

3218
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:22,639
okay that's the other thing i can't

3219
02:10:27,750 --> 02:10:24,560
believe i'm hearing you say this stuff

3220
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:27,760
and i i took a lot of uh

3221
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:30,560
steroids heavy steroids and things that

3222
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:32,719
you are probably taking yourself

3223
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:35,520
to to to get this back under control the

3224
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:38,159
muscles weren't working in my left eye

3225
02:10:42,550 --> 02:10:41,280
but my point being i could see and the

3226
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:42,560
ophthalmologist

3227
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:44,639
knows everything that is going on inside

3228
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:46,239
of your eyeball

3229
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:49,280
you can see this but they can't

3230
02:10:55,910 --> 02:10:53,520
right wow so either their technology

3231
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:55,920
whoever put that in my eye the

3232
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:58,239
technology is such that it can't be seen

3233
02:11:02,470 --> 02:10:59,040
by

3234
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:02,480
human technology or i don't know i don't

3235
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:04,000
know what to make of that but like i

3236
02:11:06,390 --> 02:11:05,599
said i've tried to get rid of it and i

3237
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:06,400
have

3238
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:08,159
gotten rid of it for a short time it

3239
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:11,920
always comes back um you know

3240
02:11:15,030 --> 02:11:13,280
and like i said i did think it was a

3241
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:15,040
hologram for a little while and that was

3242
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,320
fairly recent but

3243
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:18,560
um i just cannot get rid of it but

3244
02:11:23,350 --> 02:11:19,840
nobody else can see it

3245
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:23,360
um also in 2004 before i knew about all

3246
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:24,000
this i kept

3247
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:26,000
finding these spiny things in my eye and

3248
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:27,280
my left eye

3249
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:28,960
and i went to the ophthalmologist then

3250
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:31,040
and he said he couldn't find anything

3251
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:33,679
so i still have those spiny things and

3252
02:11:37,830 --> 02:11:35,280
they look like

3253
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:37,840
sea anemones walking around on the

3254
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,760
inside of my eye

3255
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,840
and i've also seen a lot of floaters

3256
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:43,599
some of them look like they are actually

3257
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:45,920
eyeballs themselves

3258
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:48,320
and they're floating by and you know i

3259
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:49,760
don't know if you've had a lot of work

3260
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:50,800
on your eyes

3261
02:11:53,910 --> 02:11:52,480
do you have a lot of floaters that are

3262
02:11:56,629 --> 02:11:53,920
unusual yes i do

3263
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,639
and when my ophthalmologist goes i know

3264
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:58,400
you can see these

3265
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:01,520
like i can i can actually he goes man

3266
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:03,360
you got enough stuff in the inside of

3267
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:04,159
your eye

3268
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:07,920
um now uh but there's another

3269
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:10,880
uh uh statement that you made in the

3270
02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:12,800
book which was

3271
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:16,639
you would go over your body with magnets

3272
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:23,109
why would you do that um well i figured

3273
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,239
why not you know

3274
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:25,760
if there's something in there that i

3275
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:28,239
could disrupt or annoy them in some way

3276
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:28,800
i mean

3277
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:31,119
they're taking me they're doing things

3278
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:32,880
to me i don't know what that is

3279
02:12:36,069 --> 02:12:34,960
so why not why not just give them the

3280
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:36,079
finger you know

3281
02:12:42,149 --> 02:12:39,360
and so to speak you know

3282
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:42,159
yeah yeah mess with the implants right

3283
02:12:46,149 --> 02:12:42,960
why not

3284
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:46,159
mess with the implants now um the reason

3285
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:49,199
uh for writing the book um and i

3286
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:51,199
i want to close with this uh with the

3287
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:52,800
time that we have left

3288
02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:55,840
is you want to fight back and

3289
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:58,320
the second half of the book which i'm

3290
02:13:01,109 --> 02:13:00,000
not going to disclose any of this and i

3291
02:13:03,189 --> 02:13:01,119
don't want to talk about that

3292
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:03,199
necessarily at all

3293
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:06,480
i want people to read the book because

3294
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:09,920
you give comprehensive lists step by

3295
02:13:15,109 --> 02:13:11,840
step by step by step

3296
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:15,119
how to fight this right right and that's

3297
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:16,400
that's the purpose of the

3298
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:19,679
you know abducted and furious how to and

3299
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:22,400
uh as you started to uh put these lists

3300
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:23,679
together

3301
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:28,560
um was were these steps effective

3302
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:32,079
yes they were um and you know as a

3303
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:33,760
disclaimer i

3304
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:36,000
have fought back i have gotten rid of

3305
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:37,520
most

3306
02:13:41,910 --> 02:13:40,320
of the et's right now i believe i'm

3307
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:41,920
dealing with actually people

3308
02:13:46,629 --> 02:13:44,880
or a people that is working with ets and

3309
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:46,639
that's made them more powerful

3310
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:49,440
or more or harder to get rid of but yes

3311
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:50,560
i have

3312
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:52,800
closed the book on a lot of the et

3313
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:53,679
abductions

3314
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:55,360
and actually i'm not being abducted

3315
02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:58,320
anymore i am being

3316
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:00,239
kept in my bed and they're monkeying

3317
02:14:03,589 --> 02:14:02,320
with my mind

3318
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:03,599
one of the things they're doing right

3319
02:14:09,109 --> 02:14:05,840
now um

3320
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:09,119
is they are they have me in bed and they

3321
02:14:14,390 --> 02:14:11,280
are

3322
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:14,400
it's weird it feels like i'm asleep but

3323
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:14,719
my

3324
02:14:21,189 --> 02:14:19,199
awake and they're talking to me

3325
02:14:23,589 --> 02:14:21,199
that's how it feels um when i can

3326
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:23,599
remember those kinds of things happening

3327
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:26,800
so it's just a bunch of mind monkeying

3328
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:28,560
is it because is it because you're

3329
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:30,400
stepping out and discussing this

3330
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:32,800
how to fight back i believe so yeah i

3331
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:35,040
believe that because uh they do not like

3332
02:14:37,430 --> 02:14:35,360
that

3333
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:37,440
and they will punish you for doing this

3334
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:38,960
so all of you

3335
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,119
who are willing to fight back fight back

3336
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:43,760
but yeah there are consequences

3337
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:47,199
so um uh

3338
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:49,280
we we've kind of joked about this on the

3339
02:14:53,109 --> 02:14:51,280
show over the years with uh different

3340
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,119
callers and different guests

3341
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,239
um you know what you would do at a

3342
02:14:59,910 --> 02:14:58,239
moment like this you know do you go into

3343
02:15:03,270 --> 02:14:59,920
a karate pose

3344
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:03,280
right yeah right uh you know uh you know

3345
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:05,920
demon out what you know do you say

3346
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:07,440
things you're not gonna

3347
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:10,560
um and and we can joke about this

3348
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,800
but there are some suggestions that have

3349
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,239
been out there from

3350
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:16,400
different abduc you know this is what

3351
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:18,239
you do and if you say these words

3352
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:20,079
they'll you know if you do this if you

3353
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,280
regret

3354
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:24,400
does any of that work um

3355
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:26,800
not to my knowledge but i have been you

3356
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,560
know creating my own little things that

3357
02:15:32,470 --> 02:15:30,880
do work for instance um i don't know if

3358
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,480
everyone hears this because you know i

3359
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:34,000
don't have a lot of people to talk to

3360
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:34,800
about it

3361
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:38,639
but i started noticing that i hear tones

3362
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:41,840
uh different tones coming into my ears

3363
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,480
so one of the things i started doing is

3364
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:46,000
plugging my ears

3365
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:48,239
with my fingers to see if they're

3366
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,360
external or internal terms

3367
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:53,840
and the majority for me were external

3368
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,280
tones

3369
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:57,760
so now i don't get those anymore so all

3370
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:59,119
i did was plug my ears

3371
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:01,440
so then i had the great idea to actually

3372
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,480
go to bed with

3373
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:04,960
earplugs in and i have tiny ear canals

3374
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:05,840
so i'd have to

3375
02:16:09,510 --> 02:16:08,000
use those silicone ones and you know cut

3376
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:09,520
them and forth

3377
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:12,000
but um yeah i started wearing because at

3378
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:14,000
first i thought i bet i'm being

3379
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:16,159
used having tones used on me in order to

3380
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:18,719
get me out of bed so i plugged my ears

3381
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,000
now i only have internal tones um

3382
02:16:26,069 --> 02:16:24,639
so i don't know what those are but um

3383
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:26,079
you know i'm working on getting rid of

3384
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:26,880
those

3385
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:29,040
did you you know did you do any

3386
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:30,960
regression therapy

3387
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:33,599
i didn't because initially i was afraid

3388
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:34,719
that these

3389
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,439
beings were using their um using

3390
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,200
hypnosis on me

3391
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:41,599
to get me out of bed or you know i just

3392
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:44,160
wasn't sure what the situation was

3393
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:46,399
and so because i didn't want to help

3394
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:47,760
them you know

3395
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,040
to and i know i'm easily hypnotized

3396
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:53,120
and i'm also what's called highly

3397
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:54,559
suggestible

3398
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:56,719
so because of that i was afraid of

3399
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:57,679
adding to it

3400
02:17:01,110 --> 02:17:00,000
but now i might rethink that um i think

3401
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:01,120
i might need to know

3402
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:03,920
what else is going on that i don't know

3403
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:05,439
so that i can go further

3404
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,840
and you know get out of this completely

3405
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:08,639
not me

3406
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:12,080
i ain't doing it i mean i don't want to

3407
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:12,479
know

3408
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:17,920
not even so sure

3409
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:20,319
with the the couple of experiences that

3410
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:21,439
i've had where

3411
02:17:24,950 --> 02:17:23,120
you know high strangeness comes into

3412
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:24,960
play and i can't

3413
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:28,000
i just leave it right there i i'm i'm

3414
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:30,800
good with that i don't know if i want to

3415
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:32,080
find out

3416
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:36,160
and i've said this to many the top-notch

3417
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:39,599
uh regression therapist the best um

3418
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:42,160
and i've had to decline i i really don't

3419
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:42,880
want to know i

3420
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:45,040
i don't want to know um now you

3421
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,880
mentioned uh

3422
02:17:50,629 --> 02:17:48,399
and and you mentioned this in the book

3423
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:50,639
so let's let's get a little bit specific

3424
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:51,840
here

3425
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:54,960
that they will punish you

3426
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:58,800
you hear quite a few people

3427
02:18:03,750 --> 02:18:01,840
um out there leading researchers that

3428
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:03,760
say everything is benevolent

3429
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:05,439
uh if there was going to be anything

3430
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:07,280
negative we would know it if they were

3431
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:09,120
here to take over the world we would

3432
02:18:13,669 --> 02:18:10,240
know it

3433
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:13,679
but um that's not the case with

3434
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:15,120
everybody

3435
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:19,840
um but when you say they will punish you

3436
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:23,040
and and your your words to everybody

3437
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:26,000
my experience was not a good one and and

3438
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:28,000
i'm angry about it and i'm trying to

3439
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,040
figure this out

3440
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:31,760
right right when you hear somebody say

3441
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:32,479
no

3442
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:35,599
it's that they're here to help us how do

3443
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:37,439
you respond to that

3444
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:40,160
um you know i usually don't uh respond

3445
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:41,040
to it but

3446
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:43,679
um because they're i think in some ways

3447
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,519
because they're narcissists

3448
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:47,920
they are you know the bad et's if there

3449
02:18:50,549 --> 02:18:49,040
are good ats

3450
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,559
they want everyone they want to do

3451
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:52,960
divide and conquer i mean i believe that

3452
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:54,719
they are trying to get everyone

3453
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:57,359
polarized so that we can fight each

3454
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:57,840
other

3455
02:19:01,110 --> 02:19:00,240
you know what i mean so um you know

3456
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:01,120
unfortunately

3457
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,960
those people the um the contactees that

3458
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:06,639
really feel like everyone's vanilla

3459
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:07,359
blunt

3460
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:08,880
they just feel like we're

3461
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:11,120
misunderstanding their intentions

3462
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,800
and that's not true because i think if

3463
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:14,880
they were being tortured every night

3464
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:18,319
or even 24 7 which is what i actually am

3465
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,280
going through

3466
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:21,200
i think they would feel differently so i

3467
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:22,800
feel like it's kind of

3468
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:25,519
unfortunate that they would have a

3469
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:26,880
blanket statement

3470
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:28,639
that we're just missing the point of it

3471
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,160
when we're actually going through these

3472
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:32,240
horrible experiences

3473
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:35,359
now you uh you dedicate uh a chapter or

3474
02:19:40,709 --> 02:19:36,880
two in the book

3475
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:40,719
uh to narcissistic e.t

3476
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:44,399
and and i i i uh you

3477
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:47,679
you suggest well you see of course

3478
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:50,240
there has to be narcissistic ets just

3479
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:51,359
like there are

3480
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:54,880
uh all kinds of examples of that on this

3481
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:55,840
planet

3482
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:59,120
um uh but uh what did

3483
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:01,680
what's the definition of a narcissistic

3484
02:20:06,389 --> 02:20:03,040
e.t

3485
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:06,399
i believe it is some a being

3486
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:09,920
that thrives off of your negativity your

3487
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:12,160
fear your anguish your terror

3488
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,280
your crying and i think that they enjoy

3489
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:17,120
that a positive et

3490
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:19,120
does that by enjoying your what they

3491
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:20,399
call fuel

3492
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:22,399
because when you're uh upset with them

3493
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:23,439
or unhappy

3494
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:26,640
that is the best fuel they they can get

3495
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:29,439
uh if they're you're if you are happy i

3496
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:30,800
mean if you are happy then there

3497
02:20:34,710 --> 02:20:33,600
it's not as good but unhappiness is like

3498
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:34,720
the gold standard

3499
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:37,680
they get off on it right they get off on

3500
02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:38,240
it

3501
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:41,120
and so the um the negative et i believe

3502
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:42,160
is the same

3503
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:44,080
so when you hear about people you know

3504
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:45,280
getting sucked into

3505
02:20:49,349 --> 02:20:47,439
ships and then taking them and then

3506
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:49,359
trying to sound like oh no this isn't

3507
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:51,600
this is we're trying to help you and all

3508
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:52,880
this other stuff

3509
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:55,200
they're actually taking us so that they

3510
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,200
can get enjoyment out of it they can

3511
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:00,080
enjoy our pain they can enjoy our terror

3512
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,280
they can enjoy the torture of us so

3513
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,120
that's what i believe their intent is

3514
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:07,200
and so that's how i see them i see them

3515
02:21:10,830 --> 02:21:08,160
as narcissists

3516
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,840
just like human narcissists enjoy our

3517
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:12,319
pain and

3518
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,399
do you is is there a possibility here

3519
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:19,680
that your experience is

3520
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:23,520
with one race or one type of vt

3521
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:25,680
and that is your experience that's your

3522
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:27,040
world right

3523
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:30,399
and that others are not experiencing the

3524
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:34,240
same etc extraterrestrial civilization

3525
02:21:38,790 --> 02:21:35,760
that you are

3526
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:38,800
i i believe that that is true but um

3527
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:41,120
i don't you know maybe at this point i'm

3528
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:42,640
just really biased but

3529
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,359
it seems like there's appears to be an

3530
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:47,280
attempt to make it seem like there are a

3531
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:48,880
lot more e.t

3532
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:51,680
groups than there are and that a lot of

3533
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:52,399
people

3534
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:54,080
maybe they're telling them oh yeah we're

3535
02:21:58,230 --> 02:21:55,760
helping you i'm really helping you

3536
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,240
but i can't heal you of your affliction

3537
02:22:01,349 --> 02:22:00,080
of crohn's disease or whatever your

3538
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,359
affliction is

3539
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:03,520
because you know you i don't know what

3540
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:04,640
the reasons are so

3541
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,000
if they're gonna wipe your memory and

3542
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:08,399
then not heal you if they are beneficial

3543
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:10,000
to you are they really helping you what

3544
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:11,280
are they really doing

3545
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:13,520
i think everyone should just start

3546
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:15,359
asking more questions

3547
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,359
and hold them accountable one of the

3548
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,359
things about a narcissistic

3549
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:21,680
et and a narcissist person are never

3550
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:22,479
accountable

3551
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:25,120
they never are at fault for anything

3552
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,800
that happens to them they're always the

3553
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:27,600
victim

3554
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:29,439
and in my book i talk about that and

3555
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:31,359
show you know the correlation between

3556
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:32,399
the two

3557
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,880
so that uh people can see you know them

3558
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:36,640
saying oh no we would help you but

3559
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:37,840
you're just too

3560
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,800
warmongery you know or whatever right

3561
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:42,720
you have too many wars if you would stop

3562
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:45,439
warring you know as if one person is

3563
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:47,200
responsible for the wars

3564
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:49,200
then we'd help you much more you know

3565
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:51,359
that sounds good but it actually doesn't

3566
02:22:55,670 --> 02:22:52,479
help anyone

3567
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:55,680
well and we hear

3568
02:23:02,309 --> 02:22:58,960
that example over and over again

3569
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:02,319
right we we are choosing you you're the

3570
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:03,120
one

3571
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:06,479
to help spread this message and you need

3572
02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:07,680
to do this

3573
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:10,000
is that a way for a narcissist to give

3574
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:11,680
you self-importance

3575
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:16,240
yes it is and they gain fuel from that

3576
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:19,520
um you know that there are uh

3577
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:21,600
and the book is a great great book and a

3578
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:22,880
great read um

3579
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:25,200
i highly recommend it but you know that

3580
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:26,560
there are those out there

3581
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:29,120
contactees that are listening to this

3582
02:23:32,550 --> 02:23:30,000
right now

3583
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:32,560
that are saying my experience is the

3584
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:33,439
exact

3585
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,800
opposite yeah i do

3586
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:38,960
you know i mean i hope there are good

3587
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:40,479
ets out there but

3588
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:42,880
i i just don't feel like there are if

3589
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:45,680
they were why aren't they saving me

3590
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:49,439
from the baddies true

3591
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:52,960
true now there is a lot of

3592
02:23:59,830 --> 02:23:56,080
uh chatter as you know uh out there

3593
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,840
in in mass media social media ufos and

3594
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:01,280
uaps

3595
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:03,840
is is a conversation now for pop culture

3596
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:06,000
it's never been like this before

3597
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:08,080
um we have the senate intelligence

3598
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:10,000
committee and the department of defense

3599
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,359
and od and i

3600
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:14,479
everybody's involved we have pilots and

3601
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,160
and the u.s navy and everything coming

3602
02:24:19,990 --> 02:24:17,840
forward we have videos

3603
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:20,000
um but there's something else that is

3604
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:22,160
tied to almost all of this

3605
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:25,680
and that is threat and what comes with

3606
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:26,160
threat

3607
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:29,520
of course is fear right and that is what

3608
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:30,000
is

3609
02:24:35,110 --> 02:24:33,439
the wrong direction

3610
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:35,120
with the way that the world needs to

3611
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:36,960
address this

3612
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:40,560
um i think it is but the problem is is

3613
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:42,319
the mainstream media

3614
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:44,080
likes to promote fear promotes fear

3615
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:45,520
about everything right

3616
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:48,000
and we know that the mainstream media is

3617
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:49,200
controlled

3618
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:50,800
but i do think there should be some

3619
02:24:55,429 --> 02:24:52,319
caution but not

3620
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:55,439
complete out and out fear so

3621
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:56,800
i don't know how it's going to play out

3622
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:58,880
i hope disclosure is all it's cracked up

3623
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,439
to be

3624
02:25:03,750 --> 02:25:01,680
which what okay what's your definition

3625
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:03,760
of disclosure lisa

3626
02:25:10,469 --> 02:25:07,200
my definition is the truth

3627
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,479
it could be on anything yes

3628
02:25:14,309 --> 02:25:12,880
do you think the actual truth right and

3629
02:25:16,710 --> 02:25:14,319
do you think that

3630
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:16,720
this is about ultimately about to happen

3631
02:25:20,870 --> 02:25:18,000
so many people

3632
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:20,880
right now i'm one i would love to see

3633
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:22,479
disclosure happen

3634
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:25,760
it seems like we are right on the edge

3635
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:27,439
if it was ever going to happen before

3636
02:25:32,389 --> 02:25:29,840
it's going to happen now

3637
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:32,399
um i think that there's a to there's so

3638
02:25:37,110 --> 02:25:34,399
much hype the mainstream media is

3639
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:37,120
in on it which i think is a clue that

3640
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:37,600
may

3641
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,280
be i hope

3642
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:43,439
they'll give us uh the truth about

3643
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:45,280
everything but i have a feeling that

3644
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,479
they are going to hold back

3645
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:48,240
all the good stuff and then just tell us

3646
02:25:53,190 --> 02:25:50,319
the stuff we need to hear

3647
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:53,200
so that we can get fearful right right

3648
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:55,200
because fear sells

3649
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:58,479
and fear you know helps everybody um

3650
02:26:01,510 --> 02:26:00,640
you know run out and buy a bunch of

3651
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:01,520
toilet paper

3652
02:26:07,990 --> 02:26:04,720
or whatever i did i did yeah

3653
02:26:10,550 --> 02:26:08,000
yeah so fear is what runs this world

3654
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:10,560
so i don't know i i hope that they'll

3655
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:12,160
give us something but i'm really

3656
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:13,920
starting to lean towards it'll just be

3657
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:15,120
all about hype

3658
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:16,479
and i really won't have a lot of

3659
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:18,720
substance and there but they are talking

3660
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:20,000
about and they're like oh you know

3661
02:26:23,270 --> 02:26:22,399
the congressional whoever they showed

3662
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:23,280
the uh

3663
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:26,160
content was very disturbed and you know

3664
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:26,800
again

3665
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:30,960
fear well now but there's an opportunity

3666
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:31,680
here

3667
02:26:37,670 --> 02:26:35,359
for people like you that can

3668
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:37,680
show their spouses or their family the

3669
02:26:41,750 --> 02:26:39,520
tv and go see

3670
02:26:43,349 --> 02:26:41,760
yeah i'm not nuts and you can do that

3671
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:43,359
with your husband now

3672
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:46,560
yeah that's true well i ha

3673
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:49,520
i think i hope it'll can't gain all of

3674
02:26:52,710 --> 02:26:50,479
people who have

3675
02:26:54,469 --> 02:26:52,720
experiences or their contact ease or

3676
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:54,479
abductees it'll give us all a little

3677
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:54,960
more

3678
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:57,600
incred credibility but you know there

3679
02:26:59,590 --> 02:26:58,000
are a

3680
02:27:01,190 --> 02:26:59,600
large group of people don't believe

3681
02:27:01,510 --> 02:27:01,200
anything the government says and there's

3682
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:01,520
a

3683
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:08,560
despite

3684
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:11,439
you know the whole ufo thing becoming uh

3685
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:11,920
you know

3686
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:14,479
common topic so i don't know i think

3687
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:16,160
it'll take a little while but

3688
02:27:20,070 --> 02:27:18,800
uh that's one of the best points though

3689
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:20,080
that you just made it's

3690
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:22,800
it's just so funny especially in the ufo

3691
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,560
conspiracy world

3692
02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:26,160
where you don't believe anything the

3693
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:28,240
government says that's our rule if

3694
02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:29,680
you're going to come hang out with us

3695
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:34,640
we start here but now that same group

3696
02:27:39,270 --> 02:27:37,439
is going trust the government right now

3697
02:27:42,830 --> 02:27:39,280
they're on our side

3698
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:42,840
right i am so confused right now i'm so

3699
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:45,120
confused where i'm watching friends of

3700
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:45,920
mine that were

3701
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,760
absolutely anti-anything that had to do

3702
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:51,920
with any agencies or the military the

3703
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:54,080
department of defense or politicians

3704
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:56,840
washington d.c in the white house

3705
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:58,240
suddenly

3706
02:28:03,110 --> 02:28:01,439
dc is our friend i'm like man you can't

3707
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:03,120
have it both ways right what

3708
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:06,000
what part of the story out of uh the

3709
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:07,439
pentagon

3710
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:09,600
are you picking and choosing what you

3711
02:28:13,670 --> 02:28:11,439
want to believe

3712
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:13,680
all right that's a good question yeah

3713
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:14,800
i'm watching it

3714
02:28:18,710 --> 02:28:17,040
happen in real time it's fascinating to

3715
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:18,720
me and tomorrow we have

3716
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:20,880
lou elizondo you know back on the show

3717
02:28:24,950 --> 02:28:22,080
with us

3718
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:24,960
and and lou has got himself in a strange

3719
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:26,000
position now

3720
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:29,280
where you know his supporters and you

3721
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:29,600
know

3722
02:28:37,750 --> 02:28:36,319
uh not believing what uh the pentagon

3723
02:28:40,230 --> 02:28:37,760
statements are saying

3724
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:40,240
but they will trust the pentagon when

3725
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:42,560
they say uaps are real

3726
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:46,240
right and and but now they've destroyed

3727
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:48,560
all of lou's emails

3728
02:28:54,309 --> 02:28:51,600
now wait a minute here right and

3729
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:54,319
and lou i i feel bad for lou and i'm

3730
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:55,600
pretty angry

3731
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:58,399
because now uh lou can't prove or

3732
02:29:02,469 --> 02:29:00,319
disprove his statements

3733
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:02,479
the pentagon can no longer prove or

3734
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:03,439
disprove

3735
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:05,600
their statements about lou because

3736
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:08,640
they've destroyed his emails right right

3737
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:11,280
and it's it's it's it's a paradox on

3738
02:29:15,750 --> 02:29:12,720
both sides

3739
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:15,760
it's crazy it's also you know

3740
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:18,800
to their benefit to destroy those

3741
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:21,040
well they but now they can't back up

3742
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:22,880
their own bs

3743
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:25,120
right and yeah that's that's all i'm

3744
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:26,960
saying and the ig's gonna do this

3745
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:28,319
investigation

3746
02:29:31,670 --> 02:29:29,520
uh is in the middle of this

3747
02:29:34,710 --> 02:29:31,680
investigation about lou

3748
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:34,720
and now they're going to hear from the

3749
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:36,000
department of defense

3750
02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:38,720
that they destroyed his emails and

3751
02:29:43,270 --> 02:29:40,880
they're gonna have to say that to the ig

3752
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:43,280
which i'm sure they've already said it's

3753
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:44,240
it's crazy

3754
02:29:47,990 --> 02:29:46,880
it's absolutely unbelievable lisa thank

3755
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:48,000
you so much

3756
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,359
thank you for having the courage to

3757
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:51,840
write this book and and uh speak out

3758
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:53,520
about this and come on this show thank

3759
02:29:56,389 --> 02:29:55,040
you so much and look forward to having

3760
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:56,399
you on again

3761
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:58,000
okay thank you so much i really

3762
02:30:02,309 --> 02:29:59,840
appreciate it it was a great show you're

3763
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:02,319
a great interviewer

3764
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:05,200
it's my job thank you so much lisa be

3765
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:06,000
safe out there

3766
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:09,359
give my best to your husband oh well

3767
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:11,200
i'll talk to you thank you lisa okay

3768
02:30:16,630 --> 02:30:12,720
thank you

3769
02:30:18,910 --> 02:30:16,640
lisa o'hara now lisa o'hara online

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it's very simple the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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head straight over get the book it is

3773
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abducted and furious now the first half

3774
02:30:30,070 --> 02:30:26,720
of the book is her story

3775
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:30,080
second half of the book is your guide

3776
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,399
it's an amazing read thank you so much

3777
02:30:46,230 --> 02:30:34,319
lisa i'll speak to you soon

3778
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:46,240
this is fade to black i'll be right back

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church thank you to lisa

3877
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:41,280
o'hara

3878
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:44,000
that was a great fantastic conversation

3879
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:45,120
i i want to

3880
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:48,560
say about the book um the

3881
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:50,880
the first half which is her experiences

3882
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:51,680
and the way that

3883
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,520
uh she chronicles everything it is

3884
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:57,520
uh such an amazing reach he's got a

3885
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great way

3886
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:02,240
of writing it's very very very fluid

3887
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:05,200
and uh it's just great read and very

3888
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:06,399
smooth

3889
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,280
and i i highly recommend this book and

3890
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,600
uh the second half of the book which is

3891
02:36:15,990 --> 02:36:13,600
you know i told her earlier today i said

3892
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:16,000
it you know she lays out a recipe

3893
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:19,040
but it is it's it's long

3894
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:22,319
it's long there's a hundred pages of

3895
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:25,200
of things to do to fight back it's it's

3896
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:26,479
just an incredible read

3897
02:36:32,950 --> 02:36:30,000
it is really really really well written

3898
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:32,960
um and i i didn't want to discuss any of

3899
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:35,200
that the second half of the book tonight

3900
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:37,359
that would take seriously four or five

3901
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:39,200
shows to go through all of it step by

3902
02:36:43,230 --> 02:36:39,600
step

3903
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:43,240
but um her experiences are

3904
02:36:47,790 --> 02:36:46,240
unbelievable and uh it's just a great

3905
02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:47,800
read so just head over to

3906
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:49,520
jimmychurchradio.com it's

3907
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:52,960
lisa o'hara online and uh

3908
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:56,640
and go and check it out so there you go

3909
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,080
thank you so much lisa what a great

3910
02:37:03,110 --> 02:37:00,240
conversation and uh

3911
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:03,120
i'm going to shift things over to open

3912
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:06,240
lines uh this is fader night folks

3913
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,800
this is it there is no fader night this

3914
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:10,560
week fader night will be happening the

3915
02:37:14,790 --> 02:37:11,439
last

3916
02:37:15,190 --> 02:37:14,800
30 minutes of each show so uh let's see

3917
02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:15,200
who

3918
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:17,920
is up first hi you're live i'm fade to

3919
02:37:22,630 --> 02:37:20,240
black who's calling

3920
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:22,640
hi jimmy it's step from sacramento hi

3921
02:37:29,190 --> 02:37:25,359
deb how are you

3922
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:29,200
um i'm riveted yeah um lisa

3923
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:32,720
what a great guest and you know i'm

3924
02:37:37,270 --> 02:37:34,319
literally sitting here after listening

3925
02:37:40,150 --> 02:37:37,280
to her checking off my list

3926
02:37:41,429 --> 02:37:40,160
it's like she mentioned so many things

3927
02:37:44,710 --> 02:37:41,439
that i'm

3928
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:44,720
that i've experienced too i just

3929
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:45,520
scratched

3930
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:49,200
the surface with her and her story

3931
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:52,399
um the the the thing that

3932
02:37:58,710 --> 02:37:55,600
this is what grabbed me um so i'm

3933
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:58,720
you know i'm and i told her this today i

3934
02:38:02,309 --> 02:38:00,720
i said you know i'm getting

3935
02:38:03,990 --> 02:38:02,319
you know i get like two thirds of the

3936
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:04,000
way uh through

3937
02:38:09,349 --> 02:38:07,280
the book and then she reveals

3938
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:09,359
you know that she's an i.t professional

3939
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,720
only she gets

3940
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:12,800
gets into this technical stuff of what

3941
02:38:17,670 --> 02:38:14,960
is going on with her computers

3942
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:17,680
and and i read that and and i thought

3943
02:38:21,510 --> 02:38:18,800
why wasn't this

3944
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:21,520
at the front of the book would this

3945
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:23,200
change

3946
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:26,800
my view of her experiences

3947
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:30,479
she's a professional um uh

3948
02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:32,720
you know is so well spoken and you can

3949
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:33,760
tell by the way

3950
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:35,200
that she's writing in the front of the

3951
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:37,520
book with that this is coming from

3952
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,720
a place of somebody that's learned um

3953
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:42,479
somebody that's educated you can tell in

3954
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:44,880
the writing style but when she reveals

3955
02:38:48,389 --> 02:38:45,359
that

3956
02:38:50,950 --> 02:38:48,399
in in in the second half of the book i

3957
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:50,960
i just stopped right there and thought

3958
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:52,800
why wasn't this at the front of the book

3959
02:38:56,469 --> 02:38:53,439
would this

3960
02:38:59,429 --> 02:38:56,479
change um my

3961
02:39:00,070 --> 02:38:59,439
opinion the way that i'm reading this um

3962
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:00,080
i'm not so

3963
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:03,120
sure well because we

3964
02:39:08,870 --> 02:39:06,399
as a society we've been trained to

3965
02:39:10,790 --> 02:39:08,880
judge people by their credibility and

3966
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:10,800
their education and that's why a lot of

3967
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:11,520
people like

3968
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:13,760
even alexander when he wrote his book

3969
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:15,760
first thing you know is that he's you

3970
02:39:19,110 --> 02:39:16,080
know

3971
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:19,120
um a surgeon and all these different so

3972
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:21,840
they put their credentials first so that

3973
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:24,160
you'll take them seriously you know this

3974
02:39:26,870 --> 02:39:24,880
isn't some

3975
02:39:29,270 --> 02:39:26,880
flake who's just homeless person who's

3976
02:39:31,349 --> 02:39:29,280
on drugs or wandering around out there

3977
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:31,359
having these experiences so you discard

3978
02:39:34,230 --> 02:39:32,960
their testimony that's right so of

3979
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:34,240
course it's going to

3980
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:36,240
it's going to affect how we judge their

3981
02:39:40,309 --> 02:39:37,520
experience

3982
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:40,319
um so yeah you know it's it's great that

3983
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:40,960
you know

3984
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:44,000
i mean obviously it being halfway

3985
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:44,960
through her book

3986
02:39:48,230 --> 02:39:46,479
didn't matter you know it didn't it

3987
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:48,240
didn't change your perception of what

3988
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:50,160
you were reading

3989
02:39:56,710 --> 02:39:53,920
yeah yeah i think yeah go ahead go ahead

3990
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:56,720
well she made several points and the

3991
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:57,359
thing

3992
02:40:04,630 --> 02:40:00,479
that i'm so grateful for so far is

3993
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,640
in my um in my contact with the

3994
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,399
palladians and again

3995
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,399
these have not been conscious memories

3996
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:10,000
these are through regression and through

3997
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:12,000
gm and through dream state okay

3998
02:40:15,429 --> 02:40:13,840
but they've all been very positive for

3999
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:15,439
me so far

4000
02:40:19,110 --> 02:40:17,359
and i'm very grateful for that and i

4001
02:40:20,230 --> 02:40:19,120
mean if i saw a ship coming out of the

4002
02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:20,240
sky tonight

4003
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:22,319
and i got a you know message from them

4004
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:24,240
in my mind oh this is us we're come see

4005
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:27,120
i would run to get into that ship i mean

4006
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:27,760
to me

4007
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:29,840
i have a total love connection with them

4008
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:30,960
i feel they're

4009
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:33,840
my family and it's all been extremely

4010
02:40:36,389 --> 02:40:35,680
loving and positive so i'm grateful for

4011
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:36,399
that

4012
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:40,000
however you know to be continued

4013
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:42,240
um who knows you know at some point what

4014
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:44,399
more i may find out or what may turn

4015
02:40:49,269 --> 02:40:47,040
but the thing with writing down your

4016
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:49,279
dreams and cataloging everything

4017
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:50,720
and listening to other women's

4018
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:52,880
experience who have been abducted

4019
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:55,439
and these experiences i'm finding our

4020
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:56,720
triggering

4021
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:59,840
um memories and that's why it's so

4022
02:41:01,990 --> 02:41:01,359
important that we write things down it's

4023
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:02,000
like she said

4024
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:03,840
you take two steps she tries to tell

4025
02:41:08,389 --> 02:41:05,840
this in chronological order

4026
02:41:10,070 --> 02:41:08,399
but then if she takes two steps forward

4027
02:41:11,750 --> 02:41:10,080
she might take a step back because she's

4028
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:11,760
still gathering more and it's like

4029
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:14,000
putting the pieces of a puzzle together

4030
02:41:17,429 --> 02:41:15,600
for the big picture which she still

4031
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:17,439
doesn't completely have yet

4032
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:19,760
and none of us really do who have these

4033
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:21,520
kind of experiences

4034
02:41:25,269 --> 02:41:23,200
yeah it sounds like a lot of hers are

4035
02:41:27,429 --> 02:41:25,279
conscious so it's very powerful

4036
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:27,439
yeah it is it's very powerful it's a

4037
02:41:29,830 --> 02:41:28,399
powerful read

4038
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:29,840
thank you so much deb we'll see you

4039
02:41:33,990 --> 02:41:32,160
tomorrow with lou

4040
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:34,000
yeah absolutely can't wait thanks for

4041
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:35,520
thanking my culture me have a great

4042
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:37,040
night

4043
02:41:41,429 --> 02:41:39,279
here's the black fade to black that's

4044
02:41:44,150 --> 02:41:41,439
what i'm talking about right there

4045
02:41:45,110 --> 02:41:44,160
um yeah there's another part in the book

4046
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:45,120
uh

4047
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:52,000
element and she's so smart

4048
02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:55,120
you have to re i'm i wow

4049
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:57,279
wow let's go back to the phones hi

4050
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:58,560
you're live on fade to black who's

4051
02:42:02,790 --> 02:41:59,520
calling

4052
02:42:06,870 --> 02:42:02,800
turn me down in the background

4053
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:06,880
who's calling hey jimmy jimmy it's carl

4054
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:09,600
hey arizona oh hey carl how are you man

4055
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:10,560
buddy

4056
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:14,080
yes pretty good right on carl

4057
02:42:17,510 --> 02:42:15,920
i have my phone in my pocket sorry for

4058
02:42:19,349 --> 02:42:17,520
the delay that's all right what's on

4059
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,359
your mind tonight carl

4060
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:20,960
i just want to talk to you about the

4061
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:22,720
mega conference i couldn't afford that

4062
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:24,240
whole thing

4063
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:26,800
but they opened it up to cherry picking

4064
02:42:30,389 --> 02:42:28,080
half days

4065
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:30,399
so i'll be seeing you next wednesday oh

4066
02:42:36,150 --> 02:42:31,840
right on

4067
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:36,160
right so i get to hang out with you once

4068
02:42:40,890 --> 02:42:37,920
again

4069
02:42:43,590 --> 02:42:40,900
sure uh we'll have tacos together

4070
02:42:46,309 --> 02:42:43,600
[Laughter]

4071
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:46,319
yes we will be able to see both of your

4072
02:42:49,269 --> 02:42:46,640
uh

4073
02:42:51,269 --> 02:42:49,279
your pack battles on wednesday and

4074
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:51,279
friday and i'll be

4075
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:53,520
seeing richard on thursday so that'll be

4076
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:55,200
cool yeah it's going to be great to see

4077
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:56,160
you my friend

4078
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:58,800
and have a great safe drive i'll be

4079
02:43:03,110 --> 02:43:00,640
getting there on saturday

4080
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:03,120
uh you're arriving on wednesday so i

4081
02:43:05,030 --> 02:43:03,680
will be

4082
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:05,040
looking out the front door monday

4083
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:07,040
morning no yeah

4084
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:10,560
so uh have a good one and

4085
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:13,359
save it have it have a safe drive man

4086
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:14,160
and i'll see you

4087
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:18,160
uh a week from tomorrow incredible

4088
02:43:22,950 --> 02:43:21,279
yeah carl man you're the best man thank

4089
02:43:23,429 --> 02:43:22,960
you so much it was a little time but

4090
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:23,439
yeah

4091
02:43:30,550 --> 02:43:27,359
good friend carl

4092
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:30,560
and uh yes coming up for

4093
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:33,760
ufo megacon and uh

4094
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:36,960
i owe carl some money i think that's why

4095
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:37,520
he's uh

4096
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,720
uh coming out to the ufo mega con so uh

4097
02:43:44,309 --> 02:43:42,080
he can collect on

4098
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:44,319
on some money that i own but i'll see

4099
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:46,240
you a week from tomorrow carl

4100
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:48,080
you're the absolute best my friend safe

4101
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:50,399
drive hi you're live on fade to black

4102
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:52,479
who's calling

4103
02:43:55,990 --> 02:43:54,479
hey jimmy long time caller first time

4104
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:56,000
listener how's it going

4105
02:44:01,349 --> 02:44:00,000
a long time caller first time listener

4106
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:01,359
yeah yeah i was trying to throw you off

4107
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:04,800
okay yeah okay okay

4108
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:08,000
who's colin what's your name uh uh jed

4109
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:08,880
armstrong from

4110
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:12,160
new york city i have a question

4111
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:15,439
from you but uh a good observation where

4112
02:44:20,630 --> 02:44:18,720
are the other pilots we have yes

4113
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:20,640
two sets of pilots yep from two

4114
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:23,279
incidents spanning over two decades

4115
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:25,600
where is everybody else yeah i know

4116
02:44:28,550 --> 02:44:26,399
they'll come out

4117
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:28,560
coming soon but i think those are the

4118
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,160
questions we need to be asking

4119
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:32,640
and uh rolling out some red carpet for

4120
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:34,240
those folks willing to come along

4121
02:44:39,429 --> 02:44:37,359
yeah and you see this is an and that's a

4122
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:39,439
great point jed and let me tell you

4123
02:44:45,670 --> 02:44:42,720
why um i think that we all want to ask

4124
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:45,680
that question but we have to remember

4125
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,880
that some pilots

4126
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:51,040
you know a big chunk are still in the

4127
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:52,560
service

4128
02:44:56,950 --> 02:44:55,040
right right okay so we're talking to

4129
02:45:00,070 --> 02:44:56,960
pilots today

4130
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:00,080
that have left the service all right

4131
02:45:03,910 --> 02:45:02,880
so if you're a pilot in the surf could

4132
02:45:06,630 --> 02:45:03,920
you say anything

4133
02:45:08,230 --> 02:45:06,640
number one would the navy or air force

4134
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:08,240
or the marines

4135
02:45:15,429 --> 02:45:12,000
um allow you to say something

4136
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:15,439
um uh and if let's

4137
02:45:18,950 --> 02:45:18,319
let's say let's say your commanding

4138
02:45:26,309 --> 02:45:18,960
officer

4139
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:26,319
go ahead you're free to say whatever

4140
02:45:33,429 --> 02:45:29,520
you want and he gives you that look

4141
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:33,439
right right right right you don't

4142
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:34,960
you don't want to deal with it you don't

4143
02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:36,640
want to deal with the other pilots

4144
02:45:41,269 --> 02:45:39,680
your other uh crew members and and

4145
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:41,279
everything else that's around you on a

4146
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,200
day-to-day basis do you want to be known

4147
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:45,279
as the ufo guy

4148
02:45:48,710 --> 02:45:46,960
right right you know and a good point is

4149
02:45:51,590 --> 02:45:48,720
too you know uh uh

4150
02:45:53,349 --> 02:45:51,600
this your quality uh the ufo industry

4151
02:45:54,469 --> 02:45:53,359
goes back decades this is just another

4152
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:54,479
generation of pilots

4153
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:56,399
that's right you know 34 years ago there

4154
02:46:00,550 --> 02:45:58,240
were other pilots who were

4155
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:00,560
the flavors the d-trips and so forth you

4156
02:46:06,309 --> 02:46:02,640
know that that gets forgotten as well

4157
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:06,319
you know so well i have a good friend

4158
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:08,399
he's been on the show many many times

4159
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:10,000
everybody knows him his name is steve

4160
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:13,359
marillo and steve went

4161
02:46:19,429 --> 02:46:16,399
and graduated from the u.s naval academy

4162
02:46:21,990 --> 02:46:19,439
uh trained as a pilot left

4163
02:46:22,550 --> 02:46:22,000
and joined the marine corps as a fighter

4164
02:46:26,309 --> 02:46:22,560
pilot

4165
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,319
okay now i i and and steve is uh

4166
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:28,399
steve and i have seen some crazy things

4167
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:30,560
together we've had our sightings

4168
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:34,080
but i've asked him directly um

4169
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:35,600
when you were in the marine when you

4170
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:36,960
were out flying did you ever see

4171
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:37,439
anything

4172
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:41,760
no he didn't but he does tell a story

4173
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,120
that um he was in the cafeteria

4174
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:47,840
and a couple of other i think this is

4175
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:48,800
when he was at the

4176
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:50,720
naval academy i could be wrong but i

4177
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:52,000
think that's what it was anyway

4178
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:53,920
here are a couple of other pilots

4179
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,000
talking about a ufo sighting that they

4180
02:47:02,309 --> 02:46:58,319
had while they were eating chow

4181
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:02,319
and he overheard uh their conversation

4182
02:47:07,830 --> 02:47:05,120
but as far as his experience in the

4183
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:07,840
military as a as a fighter pilot

4184
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:10,640
he didn't see anything and he also said

4185
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:11,600
that there wasn't

4186
02:47:16,469 --> 02:47:14,960
anything um and and steve is always

4187
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:16,479
straight with me

4188
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:19,120
um he said that there was nothing in the

4189
02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:20,000
in the training

4190
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:22,880
nothing in the books that mentioned ufos

4191
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,240
or what to do about them

4192
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:26,640
if you did encounter them and i thought

4193
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:27,840
that that was already

4194
02:47:31,510 --> 02:47:29,760
pretty interesting too as well and this

4195
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:31,520
is this is somebody that's one of my

4196
02:47:35,750 --> 02:47:33,040
closest friends

4197
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:35,760
that literally was a marine corps

4198
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:36,560
fighter pilot

4199
02:47:40,070 --> 02:47:39,359
that literally went to and graduated

4200
02:47:43,830 --> 02:47:40,080
from

4201
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:43,840
the us naval academy um

4202
02:47:48,630 --> 02:47:46,880
and we have had our sightings together

4203
02:47:49,750 --> 02:47:48,640
but as far as his experience in the

4204
02:47:52,389 --> 02:47:49,760
military

4205
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:52,399
nothing happened uh but he did over

4206
02:47:59,110 --> 02:47:52,800
shame

4207
02:48:00,070 --> 02:47:59,120
pilots were restricted from you know uh

4208
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:00,080
uh informing

4209
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:03,600
on on ufos and you know other phenomena

4210
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:06,640
but we have to be so grateful right now

4211
02:48:11,190 --> 02:48:09,279
that there is actually a structure for

4212
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:11,200
pilots to report these things yes i know

4213
02:48:15,910 --> 02:48:12,479
people underestimate how

4214
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:15,920
big a deal that is and yes yes thanks

4215
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:17,520
for everything jimmy i gotta get going

4216
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:20,319
awesome show i love your work and uh i

4217
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:21,680
can't wait for this month to be over

4218
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:22,080
with

4219
02:48:25,510 --> 02:48:23,520
yeah thank you so much yeah we'll see

4220
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:25,520
you tomorrow night lou elizondo is with

4221
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:26,640
us tomorrow

4222
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:28,160
so we'll see if we can get some of these

4223
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:30,160
questions answered

4224
02:48:33,349 --> 02:48:31,840
have a great night man all the way from

4225
02:48:35,269 --> 02:48:33,359
new york city

4226
02:48:37,190 --> 02:48:35,279
that's jed time to fade to black thank

4227
02:48:40,790 --> 02:48:37,200
you jed and uh

4228
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:40,800
yeah i he's absolutely right

4229
02:48:46,469 --> 02:48:44,080
but my uh

4230
02:48:47,670 --> 02:48:46,479
out of the thousands of pilots that are

4231
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:47,680
active duty right now

4232
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:50,560
in in the in the military on in in so

4233
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:51,439
many branches

4234
02:48:56,469 --> 02:48:54,000
you gotta remember the marines man half

4235
02:48:59,510 --> 02:48:56,479
of what the marines do is in the air

4236
02:49:01,590 --> 02:48:59,520
you know and uh you've got uh the army

4237
02:49:02,469 --> 02:49:01,600
and they're helicopter pilots too as

4238
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:02,479
well

4239
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:05,840
uh and the navy and the air force

4240
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:08,720
why aren't they coming forward you know

4241
02:49:11,269 --> 02:49:10,720
how many have seen something one out of

4242
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:11,279
a hundred

4243
02:49:15,030 --> 02:49:14,000
one out of ten i don't know but why

4244
02:49:18,389 --> 02:49:15,040
aren't they

4245
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:18,399
coming forward would they be part of the

4246
02:49:23,830 --> 02:49:21,520
uap task force report i don't know

4247
02:49:25,429 --> 02:49:23,840
we'll find out i got time for one more

4248
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:25,439
call hi you're live on fade to black

4249
02:49:30,150 --> 02:49:27,359
who's calling

4250
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:30,160
hi this is jerry in montana this is eric

4251
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:31,520
you said

4252
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:34,720
uh jerry oh grantana jerry and montana

4253
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:37,200
how are you doing man i'm doing well

4254
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:38,800
thank you i'll be quick

4255
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:41,040
um i wanted to make a prediction and i

4256
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:42,479
hope to hear more about it

4257
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:45,840
and i've talked about enkidu a lot but

4258
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:49,520
on this one i believe chris

4259
02:49:54,070 --> 02:49:53,040
the fur bledsoe will reveal that he was

4260
02:49:57,190 --> 02:49:54,080
given a sacred

4261
02:50:01,110 --> 02:49:57,200
pipe from that buffalo woman

4262
02:50:03,670 --> 02:50:01,120
and that is a story that blackout told

4263
02:50:05,269 --> 02:50:03,680
and he passed away in 1950 so this is an

4264
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:05,279
old older version of

4265
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:08,399
native american religion right the

4266
02:50:16,230 --> 02:50:12,800
buffalo uh changes four colors

4267
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:16,240
runs around in a circle appears a woman

4268
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:23,359
uh she gave him the sacred pipe to uh

4269
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,720
uh my mind's blank sorry yeah it's okay

4270
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:28,640
that's okay i'll take off on that but i

4271
02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:30,720
predict uh i hope to hear more about

4272
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:32,479
christopher bledsoe i hope he's

4273
02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:35,600
in laughlin i hope to be there um

4274
02:50:40,790 --> 02:50:38,560
wait wait wait wait wait sherry did you

4275
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:40,800
hear something about christopher bledsoe

4276
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:44,160
being given a sacred pipe no

4277
02:50:49,510 --> 02:50:48,000
no what the sacred pipe was only given

4278
02:50:52,070 --> 02:50:49,520
to

4279
02:50:53,910 --> 02:50:52,080
people who are pure it will not be given

4280
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:53,920
to an imperial person and i think

4281
02:50:58,469 --> 02:50:57,600
he fits that profile he was run over by

4282
02:51:01,510 --> 02:50:58,479
a buffalo

4283
02:51:02,469 --> 02:51:01,520
it changed colors manifested into a

4284
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:02,479
beautiful woman

4285
02:51:05,910 --> 02:51:05,200
who gave him instructions and he's told

4286
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:05,920
on one of

4287
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:09,600
your shows that he gave her something he

4288
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:10,160
gave

4289
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:15,200
reveal it yet he wasn't comfortable

4290
02:51:20,070 --> 02:51:16,880
revealing it yet

4291
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:20,080
and i believe she gave him a sacred pipe

4292
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:23,200
that's made out of redstone and

4293
02:51:27,190 --> 02:51:26,640
um the other thing she that she gave in

4294
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:27,200
the

4295
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:29,439
native american version was a smooth

4296
02:51:32,950 --> 02:51:30,479
round stone with

4297
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:32,960
seven circles on it seven different

4298
02:51:35,910 --> 02:51:34,160
sizes

4299
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:35,920
well you know what i meant the sacred

4300
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:37,840
type of black elks account of the seven

4301
02:51:42,950 --> 02:51:39,680
rights of the oglala

4302
02:51:44,870 --> 02:51:42,960
first chapter well jerry i'm gonna

4303
02:51:47,269 --> 02:51:44,880
i wanna thank you for that i'm gonna

4304
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:47,279
reach out to chris and see if i can

4305
02:51:52,469 --> 02:51:50,640
uh get chris on the show uh soon

4306
02:51:53,830 --> 02:51:52,479
and ask him about this i don't have any

4307
02:51:55,830 --> 02:51:53,840
shows next week thank you for the phone

4308
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:55,840
calls time to fade to black but

4309
02:52:01,590 --> 02:51:59,600
um uh i don't have any shows scheduled

4310
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:01,600
uh for next week but i'll see if i can

4311
02:52:05,429 --> 02:52:02,399
get

4312
02:52:08,309 --> 02:52:05,439
uh chris on the show this that's

4313
02:52:11,190 --> 02:52:08,319
that's a pretty interesting take all

4314
02:52:16,950 --> 02:52:11,200
right so the buffalo change colors

4315
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:16,960
ran into chris um changed into

4316
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:20,080
a woman and then presents chris with

4317
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:22,800
a red did he say red clay red clay stone

4318
02:52:26,230 --> 02:52:23,680
pipe

4319
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:26,240
it's very interesting very interesting

4320
02:52:31,349 --> 02:52:28,399
yeah and it has to be given only

4321
02:52:33,269 --> 02:52:31,359
given to somebody that is pure and jerry

4322
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:33,279
believes that christopher bledsoe

4323
02:52:38,309 --> 02:52:36,640
is that is pure that's that's

4324
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:38,319
that's very interesting let's go back to

4325
02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:39,600
the phones how you're live on fade to

4326
02:52:45,429 --> 02:52:42,080
black who's calling

4327
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:45,439
hello my name's uh johnny i'm in uh

4328
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:50,000
texas okay johnny what's on your mind

4329
02:52:56,710 --> 02:52:53,279
well there's a lot of weird

4330
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:56,720
stuff happened back in california when

4331
02:53:01,110 --> 02:52:59,680
back in the late 60s early 70s i lived

4332
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:01,120
at vandenberg

4333
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:04,160
on the base okay

4334
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:06,240
i was a couple blocks from the mole

4335
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:07,439
building

4336
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:11,600
uh that that project was uh

4337
02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:15,279
defunded by congress i believe

4338
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:18,319
and also uh

4339
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:20,720
we had the slick six i don't know what

4340
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:22,080
they called it back then there was a

4341
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:24,720
titan 3d missile on the pad back

4342
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:27,279
in the late 60s on the coast of south

4343
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:28,240
vandenberg

4344
02:53:34,710 --> 02:53:33,120
okay the trailer park we lived in

4345
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:34,720
i've told people this before nobody

4346
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:35,920
believes it but there were actually

4347
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:37,520
there was a missile detonated

4348
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:41,040
i don't know uh

4349
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,520
the the specifics because the military

4350
02:53:49,830 --> 02:53:45,760
they have a tendency to

4351
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:53,590
okay and this will actually

4352
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:58,000
was detonated or shot down whatever

4353
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:01,840
the fragments went over the trailer park

4354
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:05,279
and any there was nobody hurt there

4355
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:07,200
actually was a trailer in that park that

4356
02:54:13,349 --> 02:54:08,319
was actually

4357
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:13,359
cut in two by f fragments of this

4358
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:15,600
icbm minuteman missile three there's a

4359
02:54:28,309 --> 02:54:24,550
uh how old were you i was very young uh

4360
02:54:32,790 --> 02:54:28,319
my father's 30-year military veteran

4361
02:54:37,670 --> 02:54:32,800
uh and he was stationed at vandenberg

4362
02:54:45,990 --> 02:54:42,309
this was pre-gps satellite

4363
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:46,000
you know it was pre it was the pre-gps

4364
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:48,800
satellite scenario that you have today

4365
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:53,520
uh i actually went into a silo

4366
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:56,319
and seen the electronics back then of

4367
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:58,160
course that was top secret

4368
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:59,840
now a lot of that's been declassified

4369
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:01,279
you know you can go to

4370
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:04,080
youtube and see the videos of the

4371
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:04,560
missile

4372
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:07,680
silos and you know the operations you

4373
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:08,560
can buy

4374
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:11,279
anyway yeah it was pretty interesting

4375
02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:13,200
you had a red phone

4376
02:55:19,830 --> 02:55:16,479
two keys on large dog chains

4377
02:55:20,309 --> 02:55:19,840
and two seats on a track so it took two

4378
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:20,319
people

4379
02:55:23,670 --> 02:55:23,040
you know whoever called in the general

4380
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:23,680
whoever

4381
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:27,279
called in it took two people any

4382
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:29,040
to detonate the missile or to shoot the

4383
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,479
missile

4384
02:55:35,110 --> 02:55:33,359
uh but but when i'm getting out here i'm

4385
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:35,120
kind of i'm hodge podging around here

4386
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:36,720
what i really wanted to tell you about

4387
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:37,600
was

4388
02:55:44,550 --> 02:55:41,359
with the 1369

4389
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:44,560
photo squadron at vandenberg

4390
02:55:47,750 --> 02:55:46,960
and for some odd reason everybody is

4391
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,760
discounting

4392
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:50,000
what he's seen and there's not a lot of

4393
02:55:53,830 --> 02:55:51,920
talk in the ufo community about this

4394
02:55:57,750 --> 02:55:53,840
it's very important what this man has to

4395
02:56:01,030 --> 02:55:59,670
they actually have foot they had footage

4396
02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:01,040
of

4397
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,790
which actually either decommissioned or

4398
02:56:16,630 --> 02:56:12,960
shot down the missile i haven't

4399
02:56:20,070 --> 02:56:16,640
seen any video if there's any available

4400
02:56:21,269 --> 02:56:20,080
60 minutes did have some video a quick

4401
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:21,279
clip

4402
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:24,560
i don't know if it's doctored or

4403
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:27,200
it's actual footage it looks actual but

4404
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:28,800
i'm not an expert

4405
02:56:35,590 --> 02:56:32,560
it video

4406
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:35,600
uh the video realm whatever yeah i've

4407
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:37,439
seen the film i've seen the film you can

4408
02:56:41,670 --> 02:56:38,640
see

4409
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:41,680
what appears to be an orb type

4410
02:56:49,110 --> 02:56:44,800
uh just for a second there but the film

4411
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,120
always cuts off the description uh from

4412
02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:51,760
uh those out there that have spoken

4413
02:56:54,469 --> 02:56:52,479
about this

4414
02:56:55,670 --> 02:56:54,479
have said that it looked like some type

4415
02:56:59,349 --> 02:56:55,680
of uh

4416
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:59,359
uh laser um hits it comes from this

4417
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,319
craft

4418
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:02,880
and then hits the front part of the

4419
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:04,560
minuteman missile

4420
02:57:10,950 --> 02:57:07,600
and uh and and blows it up

4421
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:10,960
and that's that you know i've seen the

4422
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:12,800
same footage that you're talking about

4423
02:57:17,030 --> 02:57:14,560
it's it's pretty it's pretty interesting

4424
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:17,040
but this is this is a story that's gone

4425
02:57:20,710 --> 02:57:17,840
around

4426
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:20,720
in in ufology for many many years you

4427
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:22,080
know it's this uh

4428
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:24,160
you know this urban legend about what

4429
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:27,600
happened out of vandenberg on that day

4430
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:31,359
well i don't know if it relates to

4431
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:33,359
the event that happened to trailer park

4432
02:57:37,590 --> 02:57:35,120
number four

4433
02:57:39,590 --> 02:57:37,600
but i know it was covered up and to this

4434
02:57:41,830 --> 02:57:39,600
day

4435
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i've been in the internet pretty much

4436
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since the beginning i'm

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a telecom expert but anyway uh

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i've yet to find any mentioning of it

4439
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whatsoever it's totally been

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covered up yeah trailer park number four

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at vandenberg 1969.

4442
02:58:00,550 --> 02:57:59,200
well i'll turn that over yeah um uh uh

4443
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johnny i'm gonna turn this over to the

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fade or not

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and uh and let them uh see what they can

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find out and let's see what pops up in

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my email or twitter man

4448
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all right man it's a strange one let me

4449
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you know even dad he talked to the guys

4450
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from maelstrom with the missile

4451
02:58:23,269 --> 02:58:21,520
with the ufo incident at maelstrom and

4452
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that actually happened some of the guys

4453
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were re

4454
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assigned to vandenberg you're talking

4455
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strategic air command sac

4456
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military base yeah and those guys

4457
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they were told not to mention anything

4458
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and they were

4459
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ridiculed you know you've seen little

4460
02:58:39,349 --> 02:58:37,760
green men kind of thing so

4461
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:39,359
yeah i know i talked to i talked to

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robert salas about this uh extensively

4463
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um i believe malmstrom happened just

4464
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like salus says um but my father's 88

4465
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:53,760
and the mccord thing happened too

4466
02:58:59,830 --> 02:58:57,760
they were seeing those uaps ufos in the

4467
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early 60s when they were flying those

4468
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:03,520
new generation jets to c-141

4469
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and they tried to they tried to keep up

4470
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with them they

4471
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:08,960
they were passed repeatedly so they seen

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them quite frequently

4473
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so nothing going on absolutely johnny

4474
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and i've got 10 seconds left

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so i'm going to say thank you for the

4476
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phone call man

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all right man thank you so much brother

4478
02:59:25,670 --> 02:59:23,200
i appreciate you johnny thank you so

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much and now it is officially

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time to fade to black and uh what a

4481
02:59:33,590 --> 02:59:30,720
great show tonight and i want to thank

4482
02:59:35,830 --> 02:59:33,600
lisa o'hara very simple click on the

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links over at jimmychurchradio.com take

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02:59:40,389 --> 02:59:37,040
you straight to

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her website lisa o'hara online dot com

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block of the game changer network i'm

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yours jimmy church

4507
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tomorrow night right here lou elizondo

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until tomorrow i want everybody to be

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safe

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it's time to fade to black

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right